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Jacko - Genius or mad as a box of Frogs ?
Great Music and truly the King of Pop 24%  24%  [ 9 ]
Good music - but a little odd 35%  35%  [ 13 ]
You wouldn't want him round to babysit 41%  41%  [ 15 ]
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I spent 3 months as a Juror and until you hear all the facts one shouldn't be so quick to draw conclusions because what is presented in the media and actual facts is often two entirely different things. Unfortunately too many are affected by the bandwagon effect or herd mentality.

Sonyman, Its funny you never hear or see in the media it taken from the point of view you presented. There isn't enough money in this world to pay me off for something like that especially if I was so convinced that it was true. Dont get me wrong the guy had more than his fair share of issues but one should be judged on the facts and not on his character.



I agree 100% mate no money whatosever would buy me off and ask any parnet the same and I suspect they would feel the same why dont you hear the press slagging off the family I suspect thats not a good sory as accusing someone who has never been convicted of anything in his life,I feel very soory for him as he was judged guilty and mud sticks whenever you hear his name closley folowing it is the child abuse alegations its sad that a lot of people will remeber him only for that.

But as has been said before show me anyone else in history who has sold 90 million records,I bet you can get to no 1 nowadys with just a few thousand.

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Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $80 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $80 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
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Lets just remember that in court they found him innocent. I believe he made some bad decisions that put him in a position where he could be accused, but no way was he a child molester.
He was truly the greatest entertainer and the King of Pop.


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Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $80 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $80 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image


Lets just remember that in court they found him innocent. I believe he made some bad decisions that put him in a position where he could be accused, but no way was he a child molester.
He was truly the greatest entertainer and the King of Pop.

Actually he settled out of court for the $80 million mentioned, without the young man there was no case. Futermore, courts NEVER find anyone innocent. They are found NOT GUILTY. Sounds like semantics, but the difference is critical. Sorry, child molester is where he will always be in my mind and many others.

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Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $80 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $80 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image


Lets just remember that in court they found him innocent. I believe he made some bad decisions that put him in a position where he could be accused, but no way was he a child molester.
He was truly the greatest entertainer and the King of Pop.

Actually he settled out of court for the $80 million mentioned, without the young man there was no case. Futermore, courts NEVER find anyone innocent. They are found NOT GUILTY. Sounds like semantics, but the difference is critical. Sorry, child molester is where he will always be in my mind and many others.



So even though the children involved said he was innocent and never commited any crimes against them,Even though a counrt found him NOT Gulity even after all that you think he is gulity,Thats fair then isnt it isnt it supposed to be innocent until proven gulity in this world.I think we need to accept that he was never found gulity of any charges and accept that until either more evidence becomes available or the children involved speak out I think we will never know the whole story but moraly I think the parents if they did accept money knowing their children were abused are even lower in my opinions than any child abuser as they made money of their childrens abuse and I hope they rot in hell for eternity.

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To some justice isn't justice unless it supports their point of view or opinion....Where else in the world can someone be found not guilty and get hung out to dry by the media and in other cases some found not guilty although their acts of crime or wrongful act is actually caught on tape and then members of society based on opinion see no problem with the decision. I strongly support that everyone is entitled to their own opinion the only danger is those with strong opinions can influence those without and in some cases the outcome isnt always positive.

Again by no means saying that he is the "model" of what mankind has to offer but again..there is allot yet to be answered.

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To some justice isn't justice unless it supports their point of view or opinion....Where else in the world can someone be found not guilty and get hung out to dry by the media and in other cases some found not guilty although their acts of crime or wrongful act is actually caught on tape and then members of society based on opinion see no problem with the decision. I strongly support that everyone is entitled to their own opinion the only danger is those with strong opinions can influence those without and in some cases the outcome isnt always positive.

Again by no means saying that he is the "model" of what mankind has to offer but again..there is allot yet to be answered.


+1 Jerome

But I hope I am never ever charged of a crime in which a juror is someone like Bone Doc as he will have made his mind up about my guilt before seeing any evidence one way or another and it seems that nothing will change his mind once it’s made, I think this is a very dangerous position to take I support everyone’s right to free speech but it can be very damaging in cases like this where someone is labelled something through mass publicity and some people form an opinion of guilt without knowing hardly anything about the case, Bone Doc answer me a question if at the trial MJ had been assonated by someone who said he did because he thought MJ was guilty and it later turned out that MJ was proved innocent how would you feel, I am not singling you out but your comments made me very angry I think if we met we could have hours of conversation on watches and every other matter apart from the MJ case as we have very different opinions on what happened there.

There was a recent case of a man in the Uk who was hounded and eventually murdered because people on his housing estate where he lived thought he was a convicted PF, It turns out he wasn’t he just looked like someone who was on a CA register, See the damage that can be caused by rumours and gossip I bet the people who murdered an innocent man are feeling pretty bad now as they spend the next 20 years in prison for torturing and murdering a innocent man.

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Come on guys, this is obviously an emotive subject with very differing opinions being voiced, but let's keep it at the "voicing opinions" level, please.

Not looking to stifle debate or opinions here, but let's not get into personal attacks on one another. We're not at that point yet, but that's how people fall out and we're all much too nice on here to do that, aren't we!

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Driver8 wrote:
Come on guys, this is obviously an emotive subject with very differing opinions being voiced, but let's keep it at the "voicing opinions" level.

Not looking to stifle debate or opinions here, but let's not get into personal attacks on one another - we're not at that point yet, but that's how people fall out and we're all much too nice on here to do that, aren't we!



Rof I am not attcking anyone least of all BD I have great respect for everyone and it wasnt meant to be an attack on anyone just healthy debate I appologise if it came accross in any other way than that. :lol:

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Driver8 wrote:
Come on guys, this is obviously an emotive subject with very differing opinions being voiced, but let's keep it at the "voicing opinions" level.

Not looking to stifle debate or opinions here, but let's not get into personal attacks on one another - we're not at that point yet, but that's how people fall out and we're all much too nice on here to do that, aren't we!



Rof I am not attcking anyone least of all BD I have great respect for everyone and it wasnt meant to be an attack on anyone just healthy debate I appologise if it came accross in any other way than that. :lol:

No need to apologise at all (apart from calling me Roff of course!!! :wink: ), and my post wasn't directly aimed at you anyway, Sonyman. It was just to make sure that all of us don't stray too far into verbally abusing each other on here! (Consider it a pre-emptive strike! :lol: ) We're here for the watches after all, so I just don't want any of us to fall out over opinions on Mr MJ. :thumbsup:

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Driver8 wrote:
Come on guys, this is obviously an emotive subject with very differing opinions being voiced, but let's keep it at the "voicing opinions" level.

Not looking to stifle debate or opinions here, but let's not get into personal attacks on one another - we're not at that point yet, but that's how people fall out and we're all much too nice on here to do that, aren't we!



Rof I am not attcking anyone least of all BD I have great respect for everyone and it wasnt meant to be an attack on anyone just healthy debate I appologise if it came accross in any other way than that. :lol:

No need to apologise at all (apart from calling me Roff of course!!! :wink: ), and my post wasn't directly aimed at you anyway, Sonyman. It was just to make sure that all of us don't stray too far into verbally abusing each other on here! (Consider it a pre-emptive strike! :lol: ) We're here for the watches after all, so I just don't want any of us to fall out over opinions on Mr MJ. :thumbsup:



Sorry D8 (how could I confuse you with one of those Canadians) :lol:

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:uplaugh:...hey, wait a minute I'm a Canadian :canada

Sonyman, watch yourself he's banned before and from what I've heard its easier the second time around!

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:uplaugh:...hey, wait a minute I'm a Canadian :canada

Sonyman, watch yourself he's banned before and from what I've heard its easier the second time around!



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Hey calm down lads no harm done,jeez no offence meant to anyone :D

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