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to me no watch is worth thousands of dollars. It's just a matter of a value of a dollar, why waste thousands of dollars on just a watch when I can get a replica which many of you say look almost geniune and works. I can do that and still have money to spend on other things that matter.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion and to be honest I've had plenty of "discussions" over this kind of fake vs genuine stuff before, so I'm not even going to get involved with it. But I'm sorry but I've got to ask this - why are you a member of a forum that is dedicated to watches that all cost in excess of a thousand dollars if that's your view? No problem with differing views at all, but it's kind of like an anti-hunt person hanging out on a fox-hunters forum : I just don't think you'll find many here to share you views and you certainly won't be changing anyone's mind. :huh

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to me no watch is worth thousands of dollars. It's just a matter of a value of a dollar, why waste thousands of dollars on just a watch when I can get a replica which many of you say look almost geniune and works. I can do that and still have money to spend on other things that matter.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion and to be honest I've had plenty of "discussions" over this kind of fake vs genuine stuff before, so I'm not even going to get involved with it. But I'm sorry but I've got to ask this - why are you a member of a forum that is dedicated to watches that all cost in excess of a thousand dollars if that's your view? No problem with differing views at all, but it's kind of like an anti-hunt person hanging out on a fox-hunters forum : I just don't think you'll find many here to share you views and you certainly won't be changing anyone's mind. :huh


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I'm here because I like watches in general. If it looks good and gives you that different style I'm interested. Alot of pieces in the breitlign line offer that, I also love panarei's. Like I said I also value the worth of a dollar, not all geniune watches cost over $1000 that is frankly the most I would ever spend on a watch. If you are going to charge alot form something that has an alternative for much less, I will simpley go for the alternative that as some of you said you can't tell the difference. So like one day in the next few years when you really can't tell the difference between a fake and real how are you going to feel knowing you are paying thousands when you can get the same thing for what it's really worth a few hundred dollars.


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......how are you going to feel knowing you are paying thousands when you can get the same thing for what it's really worth a few hundred dollars.

But that's the point - it ISN'T the same thing, and it never will be.

Anyway I'm not going to get involved in this because as I said above, these threads never change anyone's minds. I'm shipping out! :thumbsup:

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......how are you going to feel knowing you are paying thousands when you can get the same thing for what it's really worth a few hundred dollars.

But that's the point - it ISN'T the same thing, and it never will be.

Anyway I'm not going to get involved in this because as I said above, these threads never change anyone's minds. I'm shipping out! :thumbsup:


I don;t mean the same thing, I mean you get a watch that is made of the same stainless steel, maybe not the same movement but keeps time. Looks very similar or would be difficult to see the differences. That is the value of a watch for me, looks good and works, simple.


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I don;t mean the same thing, I mean you get a watch that is made of the same stainless steel, maybe not the same movement but keeps time. Looks very similar or would be difficult to see the differences. That is the value of a watch for me, looks good and works, simple.


A replica Ferrari (on the Fierro chassis) might look like a Ferrari, but it isnt and a person that owns one looks like a poser, just like the owner of a replica wristwatch. I am not not talking about watch snobbery, but a resentment to those who keep the Fake watch industry alive. My watches are heirloom pieces and with proper maintenance they will last for hundreds of years. I can take pride that I am wearing a miniture machine that a watchmaker spent hours assembling with a magnifying lens (not a robot assembly line in China). Its called pride in ownership. Stop pretending to be a Breitling lover and buy a real one. It matters.

That last statement strikes up a question.

Why would you bother registering and posting on a Breitling web forum that promotes the purchase, ownership and love of REAL Breitlings? (You will find no love of FAKES here. )

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well a ferrari can do better than other cars, top speed, acceleration..... A watch of anytype does the same thing as any other watch keep time. The only difference is the syling, so if I can get the same styling for cheaper I will, it's that simply, as long as it works (keeps time) it's all good. I don't get where you compare the 2. To me a ferrari at MSRP is worth it's price, but no watch is worth thousands period IMO.


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I'm not trying to change anybodies mind, as the topic said why do we, I'm just giving my reasons to why I would, I don't no why you guys are tripping out so much.


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we on this forum take alot of pride in the breitling brand. and a watch that is a knock off of a breitling is very disturbing to us. and since we pay alot of money on our timepieces we dont like seeing a bum walking around saying he is wearing a breitling. if u want one by all means get one but dont ask about them here, u will not get a good responce.

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Anoon wrote:
to me no watch is worth thousands of dollars. It's just a matter of a value of a dollar, why waste thousands of dollars on just a watch when I can get a replica which many of you say look almost geniune and works. I can do that and still have money to spend on other things that matter.


Your argument seems a bit disingenuous. You don’t seem to understand why people will spend thousands of dollars on a watch when you can spend far less for a watch that keeps time and you can spend your money on those other things that matter. I guess this all depends on your definition of "those other things that matter."

For me what matters is a Breitling watch. For you it may be something else, a car, jewelry, food, education, housing or any other countless things. What matters is different for everyone.
When I spend my money on a Breitling I know that that watch is backed by a company that has been in business for over 125 years. I know that when I pass my watch down to my children and they give that watch to their children that watch company will still exist. It is heritage, and with that comes a sense of pride. I am not sure you will be able to pass a heritage along to your children with a replica. I am certain that the factory, and the company owning that factory manufacturing the replicas will not be around probably for the duration of your own life.

You have made the argument that you can buy a cheap replica and it will do the same thing as a Breitling, that is keep time. Yes, any cheap watch will keep time. But your argument is that you can get a replica that looks like a Breitlling.
Why?
Why do you want a watch that looks like a Breitling? You could go out and by any cheap Casio watch and when someone looks at your wrist they will know that you are wearing a cheap Casio. But that is not what you want. You want the appearance of an expensive watch without the cost. Typically people that make arguments such as yours are known as dreamers. Not doers. People who never put forth the effort to achieve in life and because they don’t, then they try to bring those who have achieved, down to their level to make themselves feel better about their sorry lives.

Apply your argument to everything else in your life.
Let’s take a few examples.
You probably drink something other than water. But water will supply all of your needs for fluids. Why not then save money on milk, cola, orange juice, beer, tea, coffee and any other liquid. It will work just as well won't it?
How about food variety? Do you limit your food intake to only those foods that sustain life, saving your money for “those things that matter”. Of course you don’t.
What size is your tv screen. Are you watching tv on a 3.5 inch tv or do you prefer bigger tv’s.
You might get by with a cheaper car. A smaller car might suffice but you probably like one that is a bit more showy and roomy. What about the options on that car. I mean can you live without the automatic transmission, air-condition, leather interior? Sure you could.
I mean the same argument applies to everything in life. There are always ways to cut corners. We can live as monks but few of us choose to.

We are humans and we enjoy the niceties in life. I am sure you do as well. I think when we as Breilting owners look at that perfect instrument on our wrists we swell with pride. Not a pride of conceit but one of awe. A pride of knowing that we own the best man can make and that we should not, and will not except mediocrity, and that we have chosen excellence in ourselves, our lives and our watches.

There are two types of people in this world. Those that dream and complain, and those that do and achieve.


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to me no watch is worth thousands of dollars. It's just a matter of a value of a dollar, why waste thousands of dollars on just a watch when I can get a replica which many of you say look almost geniune and works. I can do that and still have money to spend on other things that matter.


Your argument seems a bit disingenuous. You don’t seem to understand why people will spend thousands of dollars on a watch when you can spend far less for a watch that keeps time and you can spend your money on those other things that matter. I guess this all depends on your definition of "those other things that matter."

For me what matters is a Breitling watch. For you it may be something else, a car, jewelry, food, education, housing or any other countless things. What matters is different for everyone.
When I spend my money on a Breitling I know that that watch is backed by a company that has been in business for over 125 years. I know that when I pass my watch down to my children and they give that watch to their children that watch company will still exist. It is heritage, and with that comes a sense of pride. I am not sure you will be able to pass a heritage along to your children with a replica. I am certain that the factory, and the company owning that factory manufacturing the replicas will not be around probably for the duration of your own life.

You have made the argument that you can buy a cheap replica and it will do the same thing as a Breitling, that is keep time. Yes, any cheap watch will keep time. But your argument is that you can get a replica that looks like a Breitlling.
Why?
Why do you want a watch that looks like a Breitling? You could go out and by any cheap Casio watch and when someone looks at your wrist they will know that you are wearing a cheap Casio. But that is not what you want. You want the appearance of an expensive watch without the cost. Typically people that make arguments such as yours are known as dreamers. Not doers. People who never put forth the effort to achieve in life and because they don’t, then they try to bring those who have achieved, down to their level to make themselves feel better about their sorry lives.

Apply your argument to everything else in your life.
Let’s take a few examples.
You probably drink something other than water. But water will supply all of your needs for fluids. Why not then save money on milk, cola, orange juice, beer, tea, coffee and any other liquid. It will work just as well won't it?
How about food variety? Do you limit your food intake to only those foods that sustain life, saving your money for “those things that matter”. Of course you don’t.
What size is your tv screen. Are you watching tv on a 3.5 inch tv or do you prefer bigger tv’s.
You might get by with a cheaper car. A smaller car might suffice but you probably like one that is a bit more showy and roomy. What about the options on that car. I mean can you live without the automatic transmission, air-condition, leather interior? Sure you could.
I mean the same argument applies to everything in life. There are always ways to cut corners. We can live as monks but few of us choose to.

We are humans and we enjoy the niceties in life. I am sure you do as well. I think when we as Breilting owners look at that perfect instrument on our wrists we swell with pride. Not a pride of conceit but one of awe. A pride of knowing that we own the best man can make and that we should not, and will not except mediocrity, and that we have chosen excellence in ourselves, our lives and our watches.

There are two types of people in this world. Those that dream and complain, and those that do and achieve.


Wow all this for a watch, you are pretty much saying you are better than me because you have a breitling watch, plus as you can see with this economy, no company will be around forever. You are buying the watch for your price because you can't take the heat if someone would say he your watch is a fake, I don't care what people say. As I said before I like the breitling watches for their look and styling, so If I can get a replica that shares that same style of a real one for less then I will. Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn't spend thosands of dollars on a watch because there are better more worth while things that can be done with that money. Let's say tomorrow you went broke, and you calculate all the money you spent on stuff and you see you spent $10K on 2 watches you will really be kicking yourself. Ask most people on the street who really live in the real world and they will tell you why the heck are you spending $4,000 - $10,000 on a watch?

I limits put on things I buy, I buy for value not because some watch company say that a watch that is worth $1000 at best is worth $4000 and that I should buy it at that price because they say so. The same types that cut demand of diamonds that are actually plenty and then charge insane amounts because supposedly the supply is low. You are just as happy with your breitling today as you were when you probably bought your 1st sensible priced watch whne you were younger.


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I buy watches because they look good you buy watches no matter the price so your friends won't make fun of you for not having the "real ling." You guys can't take the heat of someone telling you hey you aren't wearing a real breitling, what business is it of theres any way what you wear.


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Anoon, it seems you are only interested in watches as a fashion accessory to coomplete your look. Although the design of the watch is naturally an important part of the whole package, it is hardly the sole reason people buy fine watches. I would explain the passion many here share for these watches, the desire to obtain something which conforms to a higher set of standards (as opposed to all the mass manufactured crap we see everyday), or the disdain we have for fakers and poser, but something tells me you might not get it.

You can't seem to be able to grasp what a mechanical watch can offer it's owner, good for you Quartz watches are available all over teh place at great prices. Get a G-Shock! But stay away from fakes, not only are they a far cry from the real thing, they speek badly on your behalf. I always wonder about people who buy fakes, never seem right to me.

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