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I want it both ways, I want a good discount, but don't want to upset the resale values of the watches! Something has to give though :(


There are always going to be informed shoppers and impulse buyers. The informed shopper would know what they want and know (at least ballpark) what they can get it for. Someone else might be walking by a window or the cases where the other watches are and stumble upon a particular watch and buy it on the spot.

I'm sure the AD's that give the juicy discounts get the occasional wandering customer that does pay full pop for a piece. I'm quite certain they won't offer a discount just as a courtesy ;)

Hopefully the same type of wandering impulse buyer buys your second hand watch some day. ;)

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You can do better than 25% ;)


Enough. If you want your ADs to stay around, you'll only expect a discount if you've done significant business prior.

In the restaurant industry, you only get a discount if something got screwed up. Why this model doesn't exist elsewhere is baffling. Whoring on price isn't competitive; it's lazy. True compelling competitiveness comes during and after the sale.

Not picking on you, just a pet peeve.


Negotiating deals on expensive luxury items is the norm in the US. Theres nothing wrong with it. Im sure you dont walk into a car dealership and write them a check for MSRP.


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Damian wrote:
I want it both ways, I want a good discount, but don't want to upset the resale values of the watches! Something has to give though :(


The resale may be a bit lower, but you paid less to begin with. They offset each other imo..


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One thing you want to do if you live in the US is by from an out of state AD and save yourself the sales tax, that could be an additional savings of up to 10% depending where you live. I know my AD will also ship overnight for free.

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One thing you want to do if you live in the US is by from an out of state AD and save yourself the sales tax, that could be an additional savings of up to 10% depending where you live. I know my AD will also ship overnight for free.


That is also a good point. :)

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Negotiating deals on expensive luxury items is the norm in the US. Theres nothing wrong with it. Im sure you dont walk into a car dealership and write them a check for MSRP.


True, but I'm not paying 50k on a watch either. Not only that, but rarely does one interface much with the salesman that sold you the car, should service be needed. With watches or other smaller luxe goods, you in fact do go back to a showroom/shop and deal with either the salesman or someone out of a small staff. One does not want to be "that guy" with an asterisk next to his name in the store's database (follow what I'm saying?)

As far as the food analogy, the comparison isn't really about the commodity in question. It's more of an issue of the overhead and bills that need to be paid. Sure, there aren't too many 5k meals served every day, but the volume difference is great.

I'm not against taking a deal that's offered. When I got my 30% off, it was simply a "sale price", not an assumptive offer from me. I will not look a gift horse in the mouth. As I've stated before, my only objection is expecting something for nothing. Most consumers quite frankly have zero idea what "enough" markup is in a given industry.

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Negotiating deals on expensive luxury items is the norm in the US. Theres nothing wrong with it. Im sure you dont walk into a car dealership and write them a check for MSRP.


True, but I'm not paying 50k on a watch either. Not only that, but rarely does one interface much with the salesman that sold you the car, should service be needed. With watches or other smaller luxe goods, you in fact do go back to a showroom/shop and deal with either the salesman or someone out of a small staff. One does not want to be "that guy" with an asterisk next to his name in the store's database (follow what I'm saying?)

As far as the food analogy, the comparison isn't really about the commodity in question. It's more of an issue of the overhead and bills that need to be paid. Sure, there aren't too many 5k meals served every day, but the volume difference is great.

I'm not against taking a deal that's offered. When I got my 30% off, it was simply a "sale price", not an assumptive offer from me. I will not look a gift horse in the mouth. As I've stated before, my only objection is expecting something for nothing. Most consumers quite frankly have zero idea what "enough" markup is in a given industry.


The problem is that in the US, people like discounts, and MSRP is designed to reflect that. Manufacturers of cars, watches etc. artificially inflate their prices in anticipation of discounting them. If you pay retail, you are basically paying more than the dealer expects you to. Unless the dealer has a very strict no discounting policy, its pretty much fair game. Dealers know what they need to do to survive, and if they can sell a piece and be happy, theyll do it.


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I didn't mean to offend anyone that happens to be an avid Breitling collector or those willing to pay retail. I've always been a person to do my research and make sure I get a good deal. I just called my buddy and he no longer deals with breitling. He only deals with rolex and has connections for panerai. But he also told me that discounts on them are very minimal. So I guess back to the drawing board and I may try that option with out-of-state purchasing to avoid the tax. Thanks for the inputs guys.


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I didn't mean to offend anyone that happens to be an avid Breitling collector or those willing to pay retail. I've always been a person to do my research and make sure I get a good deal. I just called my buddy and he no longer deals with breitling. He only deals with rolex and has connections for panerai. But he also told me that discounts on them are very minimal. So I guess back to the drawing board and I may try that option with out-of-state purchasing to avoid the tax. Thanks for the inputs guys.


Do a search for the group buy thread.


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Do a search for the group buy thread.


Here is the link: http://www.breitlingsource.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4245&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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Thanks guys. Great inputs and advice. This puts me that much closer to my first purchase.


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