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Sorry , pics are not nearly good enough to say something useful

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Here there are some other pictures, outside the case back there is only the number 7019

Guilherme, could you be so kind to try and add an outer caseback pic too ?

movement was used by Breitling in the 1940s, it is a Venus 184, exquisite.

the case is - for me - clearly not a correct 1940s Breitling case, nor is the dial an authentic vintage dial.
Breitling might have bought stock cases in the 1990s and assembled this, or it is a fake, outer caseback will tell us a little bit more, but the serial number is clearly incorrect for the claimed period.

neither books nor the "New Breitling" are truly reliable sources, nor is a seller's or auction house's claim.

Few red flags :

Hammer head 153 / 353 ?
Engraved breitling on the bridge

Franken at best , but i would like to see the outside caseback as well

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

The pictures are there, and there was an auction at Antiquorum with this watch in 2010 with the same case number.

What do you mean by Franken at best?
I don`t know much about movements, when you said hammer head 153/353 does it mean you are in doubt about this or there are two pieces form different movements?

Sorry but an antiquorum claim doesnt carry any weight for me

Now I have had to withdraw an earlier statement on these re issues but here is where I stamd right now on this piece

1- it was not originally made by breitling but started its life as something else
2- the nice watch it was now has been stamped with breitling on the dial
3- the bridge engraving typically points to a non original breitling
4- case markings do not match any watch (re edition or original) thatbi have seen before

And unless I see a 2nd example that is identical but comes with provenance / papers I feel this is fake and did not start its life as a Breitling

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Take a look at this: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f39/breitl ... -9103.html , the movement is the same used on the Chronomat moon phase in the 40's and there are some pictures of other watches with the bridge engraving too.

I assume you mean this one ? , even I can tell the difference between 1 line or 2 lines of engraving

But anyway, different watch , different era, different markings and I am done with this thread and will revisit when someone shows me an identical watch with papers

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Very, very clearly not a vintage Breitling - no doubts whatsoever.
We've explained the reasons above, Guilherme; you'll decide what to believe or not.

I am on the fence re 1990s "re-issue", but heavily leaning towards total fake.

the only reason I still have some doubts (and the 90s had several very strange, inconsistent B) is that I saw that watch several times, often without caseback shots and a very, very similar piece is listed by Eppli Stuttgart (described as "1930s/40s, caseback potentially replaced", opening bid of €18.6k, so if some poor sucker buys this at the opening bid price he'll end up paying $29k or so after fees ):