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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:23 am 
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JORWATCHES wrote:
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I believe that OP just want to hear comments about authenticity of his watch.

As long as he likes the comments that he gets............



Hi can you tell me what are you talking about my posts ?

Who is OP ?

The seller of the watch to me ?

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"OP" means Original Poster, so in this case it's you.

The sellers listing says "30 day money back guarantee" and the eBay templates says 14days. If there is some confusion about the authenticity of your purchase, why not just file a claim via payal (assuming you paid that way) and get your money back?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:48 am 
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Roffensian wrote:
OP = Original Poster, the person who started the thread, you.

I was implying that you were looking for opinions that you liked because when you get some (from a man with tremendous knowledge) that you don't like you become a little defensive.

Edit - bnewbie beat me to it.



Not trying to get opinions that I like or not...just want EXPERT ADVISE that's all.

I bought the watch at Ebay without knowing, of course, that the seller is a great scammer and a seller of fakes as all you are informing me.

As I wrote already above, I told him to hold the watch until I get some serious information if it's genuine or not.

Of course I am full of doubts because on your Forum I can read oposite opinions about this model.

Member DRACHA on Fe, 2014 wrote a big add where he also posted several models and pictures from them all as I already posted above.

On his post he says from 1975 on Breitling released the 7656 Co-Pilot Top-Time with Valjoux 7736 exactly like the one I bought so how do you want I am ?

Full of doubts of course. :wink:

As a moderator can you tell me your opinion pls - is it genuine or not ?

That's all I need. :superman:

Many thanks in advance :lingsrock:


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As I told you in the first reply to the thread - I wouldn't touch any piece from that seller. For no other reason than that I would call it fake. In terms of the same watch from another seller, I think that Rene already nailed it:

"there are 2 'camps' on these pieces, 1 side believes they are original the other side believes they are put together from parts that were sold after the liquidation of the original Breitling company"


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I am not authenticating anything that seller has for sale but will point out this again

3) although it looks ok, anything from this seller is suspect

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Roffensian wrote:
As I told you in the first reply to the thread - I wouldn't touch any piece from that seller. For no other reason than that I would call it fake. In terms of the same watch from another seller, I think that Rene already nailed it:

"there are 2 'camps' on these pieces, 1 side believes they are original the other side believes they are put together from parts that were sold after the liquidation of the original Breitling company"


I QUOTE YOU (every minute I am more in doubt or not after all ) :

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Post subject: Re: just a quick wrist shot, '75 Top Time AVI ref. 7656
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I understand the reservations, but the one thing that I can't get my head around is that in the 90s someone had the ability to mass (relatively) produce a number of pieces at this level of quality. Here we are 20 years later and one off fakes of this quality are extremely rare.

I can't say that it's 100% original, I can't say that it isn't, but it is a very nice piece.


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Different watch, different seller, so what?

Believe what you will, but you bought a watch from someone who is known the world over among Breitling collectors as a peddler of fakes. If you believe that you bought a 'good' piece from the man for a fair price then more power to you, it affects me not at all, I am done with this thread.


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Roffensian wrote:
Different watch, different seller, so what?

Believe what you will, but you bought a watch from someone who is known the world over among Breitling collectors as a peddler of fakes. If you believe that you bought a 'good' piece from the man for a fair price then more power to you, it affects me not at all, I am done with this thread.


Different watch ????

Ok I will not bother you guys anymore with this watch.

After reading quite a lot here on the Forum about this piece, it seems to me that you people just HATE THE MAN or are JEALOUS because he have so so many rare pieces.

Have not yet succeed to understand what's the real reason but the truth is sometimes the watch is genuine and others is a put together !!!!

When will you reach a consensus after all ?

Thanks for your time


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JORWATCHES wrote:
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Different watch, different seller, so what?

Believe what you will, but you bought a watch from someone who is known the world over among Breitling collectors as a peddler of fakes. If you believe that you bought a 'good' piece from the man for a fair price then more power to you, it affects me not at all, I am done with this thread.


Different watch ????

Ok I will not bother you guys anymore with this watch.

After reading quite a lot here on the Forum about this piece, it seems to me that you people just HATE THE MAN or are JEALOUS because he have so so many rare pieces.

Have not yet succeed to understand what's the real reason but the truth is sometimes the watch is genuine and others is a put together !!!!

When will you reach a consensus after all ?

Thanks for your time


The people you call jealous my friend have more experience and knowledge you will ever find together in one "place". Also, they have a collection of beautiful watches and a lot of experience with Vintage Breitlings. They also took the time and energy to help you, so please, a little respect is well in order don't you think.

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friends, we are feeding a (the?) troll. again.


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Guys be vigilant with this check

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-pan ... 314-3.html

Not saying it's the same guy but jorwatches is a strange name to make up, and the user is still on ebay. Maybe too much of a coincidence- just making everyone aware not trying to muddy anyones name.

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Hi all,
Many thanks for all inputs about my post.
I decided to tell the seller I do not want the watch and that I want a full refund.
Now he says you are all gangsters searched by police because have sold him fake watches specially Dracha.
He says :


Why Dracha say the same watch of his best friend watchfred is original and my watch not, allthough its 100 % the same watch ?
Dracha is a well known criminell gangster and he is searched by the police in germany, because he sold to me and to ohters faked watches in past and watches what he never delivered but took the money.

Here the official proof of the german police in annexe
"Warning for an internationally sought internet scammers Rene , who is also under synonyms, such as Kei Thing and similar ebay watches sold in hat, which he delivered never. In ebay and in various watch forums he writes under the name Dracha or Dracha3. He is Dutch. Notes on the Presence of Dracha please see below the file number to the public prosecutor Stralsund."

This are the reasons why this people in Breitlingsource hate me, also Watchfred has some watches which where stolen in my house before, but the police is still at the research. And they dont like when I say the truth in theire dirty faces.

Roffensian is maybe not a gangster, but he is only stupid and dont know what he speak, he just parrots what the others say. But he understand not much about watches and he was always angry and jealous when I had corrected him on his assessment of watches.

Well now he refuses to refund me and I have been repporting him to Ebay, talked by chat with a representative of Customs Support and asked them to investigate him and close his account also.

Now I have made a claim to Paypal and will be waiting my money for long I am sure.

Must apologize if at the beggining I have some doubts all you said about thsi guy was true but now I can confirm everything.

MAny thanks people


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I know when I first came on here and heard all the goings on with this guy and his dealings with the site here it all sounded like some Mexican soap opera. As time went on and the more the truth came to light about this guy I too came to understand just how crooked and unstable him really is. It is a shame that he is allowed to do business with anyone, online or off.

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I really hope that paypal is able to recoup your money and i am sorry your purchase has ended this way

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I really hope that paypal is able to recoup your money and i am sorry your purchase has ended this way

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WatchFred wrote:
friends, we are feeding a (the?) troll. again.


nope not me
im just lurking here on this forum hoping to learn more and other than that not offend anyone

and he does have a point - basically your opinion(s) are that the watch is probably suspect because of the nature of the seller. It seems that to the OP this isnt enough but for most everyone else that is plenty to warn people off.

and of course the other issue here is that of breitling released watches versus those assembled later to correct spec from independently sourced parts - a discussion that cuts to the heart of my presence on this forum - and that's all im going to say on the subject.

keep at it gents - im learning lots


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