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Well let's put it this way......

You bought from the most notorious vintage faker in the business, as well as one of the nastiest people. If I could find absolutely nothing wrong with one of his watches then I would still doubt the authenticity. He has been banned from here on countless occasions and you will find absolutely no one (other than his own aliases) who will support him.

1) if you bought from him you overpaid by at least 100%
2) There is no such thing as a AVI Co-Pilot Toptime , you have a 1976 toptime with a rotating bezel
3) although it looks ok, anything from this seller is suspect
4) there are 2 'camps' on these pieces, 1 side believes they are original the other side believes they are put together from parts that were sold after the liquidation of the original Breitling company

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Ok as I thought I might have bought a watch not correct after all but have not overpaid it 100% as you say, no way !
On the other hand you don't tell me what's wrong with the watch objectivelly....

As I posted at page 204 on THE BOOK the watch is presented there, ao I don't know anymore

Thanks any way for your contribution

my own estimate would be approx 1200 euro for a used piece, up to 1600 euro for a pristine / NOS piece

these are NOT the very sought after 765 AVI's from the 60ies with the venus 178 movement

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Thanks for your contribution.

CAn you find me one at your estimated prices pls ?

Thanks

Keep an eye on Ebay , they come up regularly for sale at those prices

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I am really confused because I already read old posts here confirming this model after all exists !!!

How is that after all ?

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Post subject: Re: Taking the plunge
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:26 am
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Welcome to the world of vintage Breitlings, Thomas.

As Renè says, bi- and tri-compax Top Times have different reference numbers; as I assume you are referring to round cases only, listing all others would be a bit excessive.

Happy hunting !

round case Top Time, launched 1964; case/dial/hands change in 1967 to Gen.2:
bi-compax WP ref. 2000/2002, Venus 188, later Valjoux 7730 and 7733
bi-compax ref. 2001/2003, Venus 188, later Valjoux 7730 and 7733
tri-compax WP ref. 810, Venus 178



ALREADY THIS YEAR ON Feb 27 - 2014


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Post subject: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:13 pm
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Since there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive list with Breitling 765 models that were released over the years I decided to make one.

This is the list as I consider 'correct' , and as always things will change as I see or notice more differences or dates that need to change. The early history of these pieces I investigated here viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50565

1953

1953 , the birth of the 'Original' 765 AVI

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1955

Around 1955 we see 2 models.
1 with a 'digital' date aperture minute counter

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and 1 with a normal subdial layout

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I believe that the approx number of AVI watches made, Analog and Digital combined, between 1953 & 1958 is 1000 pcs. This number is based on the serial numbers I collected


1960

still 2 models like above with the only change being the larger beads on the bezel and 'fatter' hands on both models

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and the 'normal' dial layout with subdial but also 'fatter' hands and larger beads on the bezel

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1962 / 63 / 64

Somewhere between 1962 and 1964 Breitling changed from an all black dial to a 'reverse' panda dial. I have seen indisputable examples with a '62 case number both in all black . and the earliest 'reverse panda' I know of also has a '62 case number . note that the 1962 / 63 / 64 765 AVI has a steel bezel

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1965

1965 marked a significant change in this family of watches . The Bezel is changed from steel to anodized aluminium And the model designation changed from 'AVI' to 'CP'. The CP stands for Co-Pilot (The Raquel Welsh watch is actually a AVI , not a Co-pilot)

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there was also a model with a slight variation in the bezel

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1966

In addition to the 'normal' CP with black anodized bezel a 'Yachting' model with a 15 minute countdown subdial and bezel was added to the lineup , both models were sold concurrently

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1967

The yachting (765 CP) model received a newly designed handset

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1969

Between 1967 and 1969 Breitling stoppedr using a separate name for these on the case and they only had a reference number . So we say goodbye to the Co-Pilot name as well. An extended family we have now . the 7650 , larger than the previous 765

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a newly designed yachting model 7650

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and we even see a 24 hour model the 1765 Unitime

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approx number of 1765 watches made, is 1000 pcs. This number is based on the serial numbers I collected , runs from 1276000 to 1276999. However a batch of these cases was used to make 'TopTime' versions . 12 hour watches with the V7736 and V178 movement . These watches were given the reference 1765/36 when equipped with the 7736 movement or left with 1765 if they have the V178 movement . 1765 Toptimes typically have a serial number in the 1276300 - 1276399 range but have been seen with serial numbers in the 12768xx range as well

When these TopTimes were made is currenty not known but I assume the 1765 Unitime was not a 'bestseller' and they used part of the cases to build the 1765/36 before (or concurrent) with the release of the 7656 as the dial and hands are Identical to the 7656


Also somewhere in 1969 a separate ref number was given to the yachting model
the ref 7660


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<insert big cased watches here >

1975

For a few years it was very quiet on the 765X and X765 front. Until in 1975 Breitling released the 7656 'Top Time'



So I don't understand - sometimes the model existed fort you guys, sometimes, like mine, it didn't existed anymore !!!

Why so different opinions ?

Depends on the seller or what then....

I'm a newbie at Breitling as I told you but like this I am really astonished because on the other brands I'm collecting for many many years never saw such thing.

Thanks anyway for all opinions

I am not sure what your question is/are ?

Please ask questions , maybe I can give you an answer ?

And please dont compare vintage Breitling with any other brands that have release records, Breitling was liquidated end of the 70ies, no official records are known anymore fom anything released prior to 1980, maybe the current Breitling company has them but theyre not releasing them, so we have to piece together info as we go amd learn more from investigations like the one you quoted above, collecting catalogs, old ad's etc

Furthermore there are many fakes / fakers , and the person you bought your watch from is the worst or the worst, so anything sold and or offered by him is usually discarded immediately by people on this forum

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I believe that OP just want to hear comments about authenticity of his watch.

As long as he likes the comments that he gets............

Thanks for your add.
What I want to know is IF this watch Breitling Co-Pilot Top-Time 7656 Valjoux 7736 I bought on Ebay from the guy you all tell me is the bigger scammer on Ebay, is an Original watch or not.

Above people are telling me this model doesn't existed but on your post from Feb 2014 you posted it was released on 1975 and you add a picture with a watch just alike the one I bought.

So after all the model exist or not ?

That's all I want to know.

I told the seller to hold it because it will not be necessary to send it to me if I get enough information it's a fake, no need for a Paypal dispute.

Many thanks in advance for your opinion

Hi can you tell me what are you talking about my posts ?

Who is OP ?

The seller of the watch to me ?

Thanks

OP - Original poster (one who started the topic).

OP = Original Poster, the person who started the thread, you.

I was implying that you were looking for opinions that you liked because when you get some (from a man with tremendous knowledge) that you don't like you become a little defensive.

Edit - bnewbie beat me to it.