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Some real life pics here

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Thanks.

Any idea if the Airborne bezel hash marks have rubber inserts, are painted, DLC, etc?

I like the contrast design, but not a fan of visible rubber on a timepiece.


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jnelson3097 wrote:


I was just on there too. 46mm navi is a winner for those with big wrists....home run. The airborne is really really nice in both dial colors. At lease two new releases are winners!

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I'm more positive this year than I have been in a long time. The Bentleys are getting stranger by the watch, not idea where that partnerships is going and they seem to becoming increasingly marginalized. Of the regular Bentley line the ones that I dislike are more because of execution rather than the pure design - I like the Steelfish / CSO bezel design but think that it's too wide. That's much better than recent years.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that there are no new materials, Breitling are being left behind there (inside and outside the case), but they finally seem to be listening to customers and I have to think that this will help sales.



>>>Overall I’d put it at a touch better than a wash similar to last year… <<<

My grammar was sloppy. I was trying to convey this year was a touch better than last year. The only sticking point is the extent to which I dislike the new CSO, the current SO and the Colts.

The Colt and Superocean lines are entry-level which is critical to brand sales. I started with a CSO, or THREE :oops: , and a Steelfish and Colt II auto. Looking up the line, the entry-level models had the same distinctive Breitling stamp. The lineup had logical continuity. That's important because most first time buyers start at entry-level. Entry-level is the hook. If I were seeking my first real watch today and wanting to stay south of $5k, no Breitling in the first two ranges woos me. Instead, I might favorably compare some Tags and in all likelihood find myself buying a Tag Link or Aquaracer or Omega Seamaster or Seamster Chrono. My pure supposition is most who become brand loyalists, start low and work up. There lies my discontent.

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I must say the Airborne real life pic look much more impressive than the website. I think I like the white dial more as it looks more clean and but yet unique...the only imperfections IMO are the rubber inserts(if I'm not wrong) and the lack of sapphire caseback. Take away the rubber inserts, make a sapphire caseback like the new Navi, I believe sales will shoot...

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sharkman wrote:
Roffensian wrote:
I'm more positive this year than I have been in a long time. The Bentleys are getting stranger by the watch, not idea where that partnerships is going and they seem to becoming increasingly marginalized. Of the regular Bentley line the ones that I dislike are more because of execution rather than the pure design - I like the Steelfish / CSO bezel design but think that it's too wide. That's much better than recent years.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that there are no new materials, Breitling are being left behind there (inside and outside the case), but they finally seem to be listening to customers and I have to think that this will help sales.



>>>Overall I’d put it at a touch better than a wash similar to last year… <<<

My grammar was sloppy. I was trying to convey this year was a touch better than last year. The only sticking point is the extent to which I dislike the new CSO, the current SO and the Colts.

The Colt and Superocean lines are entry-level which is critical to brand sales. I started with a CSO, or THREE :oops: , and a Steelfish and Colt II auto. Looking up the line, the entry-level models had the same distinctive Breitling stamp. The lineup had logical continuity. That's important because most first time buyers start at entry-level. Entry-level is the hook. If I were seeking my first real watch today and wanting to stay south of $5k, no Breitling in the first two ranges woos me. Instead, I might favorably compare some Tags and in all likelihood find myself buying a Tag Link or Aquaracer or Omega Seamaster or Seamster Chrono. My pure supposition is most who become brand loyalists, start low and work up. There lies my discontent.

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mfserge wrote:
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, but they finally seem to be listening to customers and I have to think that this will help sales.


What specifically have they done to listen to customers other than change the bezel on one special edition, make a larger navi, and destroy the navitimer world. The navitimer GMT dial has the same proportions as the navi 01 with a slide rule that's ridiculously wide.

I don't see how they are listening to their customers.

Innovative materials? Nope, DLC still alive and strong.
3 hand in house? Nowhere to be found.
Change the layout on the Inhouse movement? No sir, 3,6,9 is all they can do.
New bezel on Chronomat? Well on one S.E.
Remove the square on the Chronomat dial? Check
Rubber inserts? Still present.
New super oceans? Big fat nope, but they brought the Steelfish back and ruined it.
In house blackbird? Yea right.

The best part of Breitling's Basel announcements is that awesome strap on the Airborne!! That's a winner....but I do like the Airborne overall.


I suspect that the Chronomat Airborne only exists because of customer reaction to the post 2009 Chronomat. At this point it's a one off, but if customers react well (i.e. if it sells well) then it will appear in more and more pieces. Is every piece customer driven, of course not, but the design arrogance of the last few years appears to be less prevalent this year and that's a step in the right direction as far as I am concerned.


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jnelson3097 wrote:

The Navi 46mm looks as gorgeous in the real-life pics as it does in the press release - excellent! Black dial version all the way for me. :thumbsup:

I actually think the Navi GMT works a lot better with the white/silver dial compared to the black version. The centre dial doesn't look so small with the full white dial.

I also agree that the Chronomat Airborne looks better in real-life than in the press photos. I still really dislike the box around the date window, and the bezel definitely looks like rubber inserts, but on the whole it's a decent piece which hopefully bodes well for future versions.

I can't get my head around the Avenger Blackbird - is it titanium, or DLC, has it got a rubber bezel with metal inserts, or is it a DLC bezel with non-DLC numbers, etc? Looks Ok for what it is.

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Agree on the white dial GMT though in those photos the red on the dial looks rather pink. Don't have a sense of how the prices relate as they are in Euros but clearly not cheap for any of them!


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Wonder how pricing fairs given recent reference by sharkman on rises partially due to in house. Or so it would seem.

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According to the prices on Watchinsider (and at the current FX rate), the Navi 46mm will be circa £5700 GBP (on calf leather).... which is a bit, but not too bad considering you now have to pay double that for an IWC BP which isn't a chronograph and is highly unlikey to keep decent time. Considering the Navi 46 is my grail Breitling, I'll be prepared to cough up that much for one.

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I am with sharkman here on the B4B. As an owner of a 6.75 I don't see how I need to own the car as well to enjoy the fit and finish of the watch. Like he said it is just a watch. Comparing owning a B4B without owning the car is pretty ridiculous. What about the guys who own the Hublot LaFerrari, they can only own that watch if they own a supercar? Or the Romain Jerome Titanic DNA watches. So the people who own those have to own a yacht? No matter the watch brand or what other brand that watch brand affiliates a specific line/model with if I like the watch then it shouldn't matter if I use that other product.

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I am with sharkman here on the B4B. As an owner of a 6.75 I don't see how I need to own the car as well to enjoy the fit and finish of the watch. Like he said it is just a watch. Comparing owning a B4B without owning the car is pretty ridiculous. What about the guys who own the Hublot LaFerrari, they can only own that watch if they own a supercar? Or the Romain Jerome Titanic DNA watches. So the people who own those have to own a yacht? No matter the watch brand or what other brand that watch brand affiliates a specific line/model with if I like the watch then it shouldn't matter if I use that other product.


I highly respect your opinion, it's just my feeling that I would feel awkward wearing a double-branded watch without owning a product of the other brand (I don't mean base-cap or alike of course :) ). But no problem for others who do not share this opinion. Enjoy your B4B-s!
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Robertus61 wrote:
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I am with sharkman here on the B4B. As an owner of a 6.75 I don't see how I need to own the car as well to enjoy the fit and finish of the watch. Like he said it is just a watch. Comparing owning a B4B without owning the car is pretty ridiculous. What about the guys who own the Hublot LaFerrari, they can only own that watch if they own a supercar? Or the Romain Jerome Titanic DNA watches. So the people who own those have to own a yacht? No matter the watch brand or what other brand that watch brand affiliates a specific line/model with if I like the watch then it shouldn't matter if I use that other product.


I highly respect your opinion, it's just my feeling that I would feel awkward wearing a double-branded watch without owning a product of the other brand (I don't mean base-cap or alike of course :) ). But no problem for others who do not share this opinion. Enjoy your B4B-s!
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And I yours, that's what this forum is all about. Different opinions, gaining knowledge, and just sharing the joy of our little "hobby". In the end we are all here for the same obsession....errr I mean hobby.

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