Vote ! Best Breitling 2013: vintage icons voting threads

WatchFred · **Posted:** Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:50 pm

Premier 765: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49712

Chronomat 769: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49719

Datora 784/785: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49708

765 Co-Pilot AVI: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49707

1-260 Unitime: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49725

Navitimer 806: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49704

superOcean 807/1004: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49720

WatchFred · **Posted:** Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:55 pm

Cosmonaute 809: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49722

Top Time 810: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49707

superOcean 2005: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49721

Navitimer/Cosmonaute 1806/1809: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49710

superOcean 2105: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49703

transOcean Chrono-matic: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49726

Unitime AVI ref. 1765: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49727

cruvon · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:09 am

Great idea, where do we vote Fred?

WatchFred · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:14 am

San, u click the links I provided ? at the top u choose one of the two contestants & then click submit . easy.

Roffensian · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:19 am

cruvon wrote:

Great idea, where do we vote Fred?

Sorry San, but that made me laugh.

There certainly should be some more vintage winners in Round 1 this year Fred, but some of the early results seem surprising to say the least (and not just vintage) - testament to an increase in members new to Breitling I guess who don't understand or appreciate some of the iconic models of more than 5 years ago.

WatchFred · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:24 am

vintage · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:37 am

No offense, but the problem with this whole concept is the initial matchups. Some of them lean heavily on either one watch or the other of the two in most cases. I'd like to see an 806 Navitimer go up against a modern Navitimer, early Transocean against a later Tranocean, early Unitime against a later Unitime, an early Chronospace against a later Chronospace, a Chronomat 769 against a Chronomat B01, well you get the point. Some of the pairs aren't even close to being comparable. Chrono's against chrono's, non-chrono's against non-chrono's, early dive watches against later dive watches. Let's compare apples to apples vs apples to oranges. Vintage watches have a smaller following than newer pieces and, correspondingly, most forum followers have never had a vintage piece in their hands to make an intelligent comparison. You're going to vote what you know. Anyway, it's always interesting to follow but the outcome is usually predictable. :wink:

Roffensian · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:01 am

vintage wrote:

No offense, but the problem with this whole concept is the initial matchups. Some of them lean heavily on either one watch or the other of the two in most cases. I'd like to see an 806 Navitimer go up against a modern Navitimer, early Transocean against a later Tranocean, early Unitime against a later Unitime, an early Chronospace against a later Chronospace, a Chronomat 769 against a Chronomat B01, well you get the point. Some of the pairs aren't even close to being comparable. Chrono's against chrono's, non-chrono's against non-chrono's, early dive watches against later dive watches. Let's compare apples to apples vs apples to oranges. Vintage watches have a smaller following than newer pieces and, correspondingly, most forum followers have never had a vintage piece in their hands to make an intelligent comparison. You're going to vote what you know. Anyway, it's always interesting to follow but the outcome is usually predictable. :wink:

Don't know if you were following how we got to this point Paul, but I asked people to nominate ways for the match ups to be done which resulted in three proposed approaches:

1) Random as last year
2) By category
3) By category with a 'champions' round'

We then had a vote for the three above along with the opportunity to include / exclude last year's winner (Navi 01) for each choice. Random including last year's winner got more votes than every other option combined so that's what we did. The match ups are skewed in some cases because they are random - I plugged the list of submissions into random.org which sorted them in random order and then I simply matched 1 with 64, 2 with 63, 3 with 62, etc.

vintage · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:03 am

Roffensian wrote:

Don't know if you were following how we got to this point Paul, but I asked people to nominate ways for the match ups to be done which resulted in three proposed approaches:

1) Random as last year
2) By category
3) By category with a 'champions' round'

We then had a vote for the three above along with the opportunity to include / exclude last year's winner (Navi 01) for each choice. Random including last year's winner got more votes than every other option combined so that's what we did. The match ups are skewed in some cases because they are random - I plugged the list of submissions into random.org which sorted them in random order and then I simply matched 1 with 64, 2 with 63, 3 with 62, etc.

Guess I didn't catch any of that. Problem with random is we can have Ferrari's going up against Fiat's. The only votes the Fiat's will get are from the most die hard Fiat aficionados.

I mean, seriously, it makes much more sense to go by category imho where we have definite comparisons based upon the function and design of the watch. Ok, I'm done, back to my coffee.

Roffensian · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:55 am

vintage wrote:

Roffensian wrote:

Don't know if you were following how we got to this point Paul, but I asked people to nominate ways for the match ups to be done which resulted in three proposed approaches:

1) Random as last year
2) By category
3) By category with a 'champions' round'

We then had a vote for the three above along with the opportunity to include / exclude last year's winner (Navi 01) for each choice. Random including last year's winner got more votes than every other option combined so that's what we did. The match ups are skewed in some cases because they are random - I plugged the list of submissions into random.org which sorted them in random order and then I simply matched 1 with 64, 2 with 63, 3 with 62, etc.

Guess I didn't catch any of that. Problem with random is we can have Ferrari's going up against Fiat's. The only votes the Fiat's will get are from the most die hard Fiat aficionados.

I mean, seriously, it makes much more sense to go by category imho where we have definite comparisons based upon the function and design of the watch. Ok, I'm done, back to my coffee.

Well others agree with you, but not enough in the voting to change the result I'm afraid. Time to start the campaign for the 2014 competition :lol:

jlee5050 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:36 am

I see the vintage lobby is hard on campaign 2013. :soapbox:

Dracha · **Posted:** Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:23 am

some really surprising results

Unitime vs. SuperOcean and the SO gets more votes ?

vintage · **Posted:** Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:17 am

Dracha wrote:

some really surprising results

Unitime vs. SuperOcean and the SO gets more votes ?

And how about a Top Time 810 over the 765 AVI Copilot?

WatchFred · **Posted:** Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:25 am

vintage wrote:

Dracha wrote:

some really surprising results

Unitime vs. SuperOcean and the SO gets more votes ?

And how about a Top Time 810 over the 765 AVI Copilot?

can in a way understand the 810, as it looks so "familiar", just like the TOC.

but Steelfish vs. Cossie ?
"Best Breitling" for us includes historical or horological relevance.
we live in different worlds, but the vintage pieces are doing a bit better than last year,
still shudder to remember the 806 lost against the ...... you guessed, Steelfish.

Roffensian · **Posted:** Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:46 am

It's not just vintage that are losing out - look how the Evo is getting hammered - a reflection of the fact that current active membership includes a lot of people who are very new to the brand. Not that surprising given that the recent design trends have been so very different from the past so attracting a different demographic.

I think that year over year performance is most telling, and also reflects the increase in activity in the vintage section recently - they'll always be niche, but a bigger niche than in the past.

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