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So far the Rolex Sub is one of the very few models that I hardly came across any criticism on it. I am very curious to find out if anyone here dislikes the watch, and if yes, why?

I tried it on for about 6 to 7 times before but still couldn't convince myself. It looks weird on my wrist, maybe I am not used to smaller and flatter watches. IMHO the Sub looks best in the dark because of the beautiful illum. The overall design is ok, but doesn't really command a reasonable presence on the wrist. I mean when we spend so much on a watch definitely we want it to look good on our wrist and compliment our attire, since watches are man's only jewellery. I don't mean that it must bling as if u are wearing a diamond watch(that's too loud), but the level of craftsmanship and polish on the watch should command that kind of respect visually that even a layman will be able to tell that it is a "high end" watch without looking at the logo. I think a layman has to see the logo on a Sub before he knows that it is a watch that doesn't come cheap. The Sub is timeless looking but IMHO a watch doesn't necessarily have to look boring and plain to be timeless but the design has to be logical, every detail in the watch, including the choice of colors, should serve a purpose and not just for the sake of "beautifying" the watch. In short the design has got to be "classic" without unnecessary designs. A chronograph watch can be timeless too.

Well overall the sub is safe, that u will never go wrong, timeless, design has remain unchanged for many years although we can't guarantee that it will remain that way, can suit any attire but do not really stand out visually. Durability wise is a no brainer since feedbacks have been excellent for many years. Rolex has done such an excellent job in marketing their watches in an unusual manner, by using boring and plain designs in their watches that made people hate but yet love so much about it. I often ask myself that if the sub had not been a watch from Rolex but perhaps the logo on it is a Seiko, assuming that everything else including the movement and materials is the same, would anyone even buy it in the first place? Sometimes I can't help thinking that the sub is so popular because it's many men's dream to own a Rolex, but because most of the models look so old fashioned, the best looking Rolex that they could find is the GMT Master and the Sub, especially for the younger ones. Since Rolex watches in general are durable and reliable, the only thing that would make the difference is to find one that doesn't look weird on the wrist. As such the Sub is one of the safest looking around. Of course resale value is one of the reasons that many buyers go for the Sub. In this topic maybe let's place more focus on the watch appearance and not so much on the resale value because I wouldn't buy a watch for investment as that's not a good way to grow my money, unless if I have the money to invest in super high end exclusive watches that are extremely limited that people are willing to pay a high price for.

Share what you think guys...Remember that the focus here is what u don't like about the sub, especially for those who hate it;)

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I dont think you can really discuss what you hate until you consider what you like. The 904L steel is awesome...it gives a unique polish, is very scratch resistent, and doesn't ding as easily. The accuracy on it is great, and it is built like a tank. You can't overlook the in-house movement either. The ratcheting system is amazing.

I would argue that Rolex is the most identified brand of all mid-high end watchmakers and has become an international symbol for success/wealth. The Datejust and Sub are probably the two most iconic (and influential) watches ever made.

But, I personally dislike the rest of the bracelet, especially the hollow links on older models. It isn't well weighted, I think the tampering to 18mm makes the watch not carry as well, and I find that the skinnier bracelet to look overly small (but I prefer a watch over 40mm so that is personal preference). The link design of the Oyster bracelet IMHO is not as nice as the Pilot in almost every way except the ratcheting clasp. It doesn't contour as well, it doesn't distribute the weight as well, it doesn't dry off as quickly, and it doesn't breath as well. I imagine if the watch was as heavy as some Breitling models that it would not be comfortable to wear.

But what I've said is a subjective argument...merely an opinion. It's also worth noting that Rolex seems to be more of a marque of success in the Baby Boom generation and older. Younger generations, especially younger office professionals, prefer the more bold styling seen elsewhere. So it comes down to personal choice and so any reason someone likes/dislikes a certain watch is going to always have a subjective undertone.

Great "open air' discussion. I personally love my Sub C, but it is not perfect. The only I would change is the size. I would love it just a tad bit more it it were 42mm vice 40mm. I have a large wrist and have gotten used to it. When I want a chunk of steel I'll wear my Avenger Skyland, but otherwise the Sub C fits the bill. AR coating would be nice too, but I can't complain about anything else.

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An ever changing collection.....

I've tried the sub C on a couple of times and owned an old GMT master for nearly ten years. The ceramic bezel gives it some pop but I prefer the old case design. The new one felt like it cut into my wrist a little. Love the new lume and the new bracelet is fantastic, however.

Funny thing about the sub with me. Looking down on my wrist it seems a little plain but seeing it from greater distance, on someone else's wrist . I like the brushed/polished look on the GMT but I'm still getting used to the bezel which is to my eye more cluttered than the old steel bezels. Getting closer though which is more than I can say for the new Breitling bezels.

As an only watch the sub/GMT or the PO are still about as good as it gets but I can't bring myself yet to want the price premium of ceramic.over preowned steel. I want another gmt, but this time a GMT ii coke bezel with solid end links. The size never bothered me as I have bigger pieces and the beauty of these is easy fit under a shirt cuff. Quality prices I still like a lot, just not at 8 grand

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Scott

AP Royal Oak 15400, silver
Zenith Chronomaster El Primero Classic Cars
Vintage gold Corum
Rolex DJ 36 TT, oyster dial, oyster/smooth
Baume & Mercier Riviera 200m, silver dial/aquamarine bezel
Breitling Superocean 57, rose/stainless

Not a bad point, more of slight criticism.

Lime pip to high, lugs width to wide as in the taper from lugs to bracelet does not flow to well IMO, cost of replacement bezel is WAY to high!

One and only watch I would keep if I had to cut current collection down to one.

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Breanach78

A Few Breitlings.

Good points. And if I had to cut my collection down to one, it would probably be the Sub C. Just sayin'.....

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An ever changing collection.....

And if I had to cut my collection down to one it would be the GMTIIc

Seriously, its basically a perfect watch.

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-RJ

Hear hear!

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"I don't got the bright watch I got the right watch" -Jay Z

I had the Sub C for about 6 months, then flipped it. I just couldn't get past the "boxy" look of the new case, the bracelet doesnt quite "streamline" with the larger lugs.

Having said that I echo everything that has been said about the robsutness, the steel, the accuracy, the beautiful ceramic, and the blue lume, its a nice watch no doubt, but not for me.

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I agree the cost is a major downside too as nice as the pieces are. You start talking 8-10 grand-ish and I'm thinking JLC Master Compressor more than I am Omega or Rolex...

The only real downside as pointed out by nickzac is the price. For what it is its not a piece that screams look at me I'm expensive. But that's really the point of a "tool watch". That said it is has its own shine factor. All around great watch. I'm from the new school and prefer the square beefy lugs. It gives the illusion of more wrist presence while staying true to the 40mm dial. It has that new school iconic look.

No one should have to ever convince themselves to like a watch. And if that's the case op.....then you're right, this watch isn't for you.

I can guarantee you one thing that if you ever own it and get bored of it you could probably flip it for what you got it for. Try doing that with another brand with the exception of Patek and som panerais

That is true...it's unreal how well they hold value. The Daytona even more so...most used ones I see sell for 90% of the new SRP

my guess would be that those Daytonas that you saw were also purcahsed a couple of years back and those owners are actually making a little bit of coin on their pieces. its amazing how well Rolex maintains their value. especially the SS sports models. You would think that with almost a million watches a year produced that you could pick them up for next to nothing on the used market.

That's the other thing which leaves me in a state of stupor!!! I always thought Rolex was a very limited production company that (like many other lux brands) intentionally limited supply so that demand outweighed it...until I joined here and Roff posted stats on their certifications...holy crap they make a lot of watches! I cannot believe there are that many people out there willing to shell that kind of cash on a Rolex! And then to get even more mind boggling is that an AD told me if you want a new Daytona that you had to jump in a line that could be a few months! It's madness!

niczack if you really want a daytona all you need do is contact one of the trusted sellers on TRF. They will get you one in no time! IMO its a great watch and i would love to own one someday. some people hate the fact that it has no date, but i think the dial looks cleaner that way. as of late, less is more in my books.