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In my opinion it will affect resale unless there is an explanation of it from BUSA.


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It looks like a legit paper. Is the "e-warranty" part an actual part of the document or a sticker? And is the actual paper post-paper thick where you can literally 'feel' the seal and the ink? I agree it will affect the resale...possibly even if Breitling does give an explanation because the COSC certificate implies that the warranty is different than a standard Breitling (even if that isn't the case).


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E-warranty is printed on the paper. The watch serial # is on the white sticker affixed to the paper. Yes, you can feel the seal.


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Roff, here was the email response from BUSA:

"Pertaining to the COSC certificate, all new watches have now this certificate which you have receive your new watch with and guarantees that your watch was COSC certified."

Cost saving measure?


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tulgs212 wrote:
Roff, here was the email response from BUSA:

"Pertaining to the COSC certificate, all new watches have now this certificate which you have receive your new watch with and guarantees that your watch was COSC certified."

Cost saving measure?



No idea, and don't see how it saves much money. I'll believe that all new watches have it when we see more than one.


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I'm not understanding the point of this given it isn't even the warranty paperwork that is a completely different booklet that also has the SN on it. Are they going to start requiring this be sent to perform warranty work? Does the "e" designation mean that the warranty must now be 'activated' electronically? I don't see how this can save costs...they would still have to include the warranty booklet as this single piece of paper doesn't discuss any of the terms, exclusions, care, etc. like the booklet does and it doesn't have any area where dealer is noted or services can be recorded with the stamp???


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I can't imagine so. An electronic COSC certificate is unrelated to the warranty booklet which is required for service. The COSC just is a certificate of movement accuracy. An e-version COSC would be cheaper than printing/sending out a personalized COSC for each serial number since the serial # can be affixed to the e-certificate prior to sale. Just thinking out loud...they already started to save $ by replacing the black Bakelite boxes with cardboard ones...


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Next will be an eWatch.
You pay the money and than you get an eCertificate stating that you "own" a watch and you will be able to log-in and look at it on a web site ;-)

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(Any of our resident ADs care to comment on this?)


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If this really IS going to be rolled-out across the range it's going to make it dead easy for fake peddlers to amend existing genuine paperwork to match the watch they're trying to sell. It's a lot easier to fake a plain white sticky label to put on a genuine COSC cert, than it is to print a convincing scanned COSC cert on the correctly textured paper.

All they will need is a set of totally open papers (i.e. ones with a totally blank warranty card) that come up for sale on the Bay now and then, and they're home free. The COSC cert was always the "problem" for fake sellers as they came with the number actually printed on it - never open/blank. However, the new idea of just sticking a label on the COSC makes that final part very easy to fake. :roll:

I could well imagine it won't be long till we see the latest generation of very VERY good fakes (the likes of the Abyss, etc), coming with full box and papers with all serials apparently matching. Obviously buyers could check with Breitling, but most wouldn't even think to do that.

I think this is a step in the wrong direction for combating fakes.... but then again Breitling have show scant regard for the proliferation of fakes anyway.

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If you look on the backside of the document and hold the white sticker up to the light, you can see some sort of thin, circular metallic wire that almost looks like the integrated window radio antenna found on today's cars. This wire appears to be between the affixed sticker and the front of the document. It is just not a basic white label. Maybe there is an added measure of security that is not visible to the eye? Either way, if I had the answer, I wouldn't have needed to create this thread. Thank you for everyone's input.


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Driver8 wrote:
I could well imagine it won't be long till we see the latest generation of very VERY good fakes (the likes of the Abyss, etc), coming with full box and papers with all serials apparently matching. Obviously buyers could check with Breitling, but most wouldn't even think to do that.


Now than ever they need a better way of differentiating fakes...I've seen a few pictures of them that have the markings on the lugs in correct format, the number on the inside bracelet in correct format, a feasible SN with matching paperwork, and I've read even the movements are serialized with the fake SN. They should make the cert have as many security features as the 2013 $100 bill will.


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TomP wrote:
(Any of our resident ADs care to comment on this?)


Interesting that no AD reps have chimed in on this topic.
Have they not seen the supposedly new eWarranty/COSC certificates yet?

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I find this hard to believe. I'm not saying it isn't true.

But, a step in the wrong direction.

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tulgs212 wrote:
Roff, here was the email response from BUSA:

"Pertaining to the COSC certificate, all new watches have now this certificate which you have receive your new watch with and guarantees that your watch was COSC certified."

Cost saving measure?


Now, the way I read it, the eWarranty is to guarantee that the watch was COSC certified, nothing to do with the watch warranty and booklet which I'd assume still comes with the set of papers.

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