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Dracha wrote:
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a few weeks ago you mentioned a link where US importers themselves added the import code and/or the Mfg name and a date when that started to happen ?
I have lost the link but it may explain why we see so many different bridge engravings on these '45-'50 (date guessing) pieces as they were done not at the Mfg plant but later on in the import process to satisfy US customs ?

do you still have that link ?



That theory sounds possible however for 785's having for example a French date wheel, they wouldn't have been meant for import to the US so shouldn't have any markings then?


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the AVI and SO look great as well

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cruvon wrote:
That theory sounds possible however for 785's having for example a French date wheel, they wouldn't have been meant for import to the US so shouldn't have any markings then?



Canada (granted , not US) & Louisiana still have french speaking population ?

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Dracha wrote:
Fred,
a few weeks ago you mentioned a link where US importers themselves added the import code and/or the Mfg name and a date when that started to happen ?
I have lost the link but it may explain why we see so many different bridge engravings on these '45-'50 (date guessing) pieces as they were done not at the Mfg plant but later on in the import process to satisfy US customs ?

do you still have that link ?


it is from the NAWCC board, Rene. here it is, though it is mostly educated guesses ?
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?7360 ... -from-when


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Dracha wrote:
the AVI and SO look great as well

very nice !


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Dracha wrote:
case seems to be correct with beveled lugs , but the '55 claim probably is not
looking at the serial number its pre-'44 and in great condition

but POA , If I have to ask I probably cant afford it :(



Didn't the v72c's only begin production in 1946? I did consider that one but wasn't happy with the movement engraving and the scratch on dial at 19-20! Is 8k Eur+


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the 23c has been around for a lot longer , I believe it has the same base as the 72c ?

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db. ... aljoux_23C

do you have a movement shot ?, would be good to add to the knowledge base

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WatchFred wrote:
it is from the NAWCC board, Rene. here it is, though it is mostly educated guesses ?
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?7360 ... -from-when


thanks Fred , thats the one I meant

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Dracha wrote:
the 23c has been around for a lot longer , I believe it has the same base as the 72c ?

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db. ... aljoux_23C

do you have a movement shot ?, would be good to add to the knowledge base



Oky, how do we know that watch has the 23c, you can tell looking at the movement? What year did the 785's begin production?


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cruvon wrote:
Dracha wrote:
case seems to be correct with beveled lugs , but the '55 claim probably is not
looking at the serial number its pre-'44 and in great condition

but POA , If I have to ask I probably cant afford it :(



Didn't the v72c's only begin production in 1946? I did consider that one but wasn't happy with the movement engraving! Is 8k Eur+


the VZ family (two pusher) that evolved into the 72C and 730 was produced from 1938 onwards,
hour counter & calendar would be VZHC, w/o hour counter VZC

so the earliest possible 785 based on that movement would be 1938, the earliest I personally saw was 1945.
funny to note that the 1946 catalogue shows a Venus 191 as the Datora movement, personally only saw much later V191 examples.


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cruvon wrote:
What year did the 785's begin production?



if the french piece is correct (and it looks OK to me ) pre-'44
but I have no proof other than this single watch

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WatchFred wrote:
cruvon wrote:
Dracha wrote:
case seems to be correct with beveled lugs , but the '55 claim probably is not
looking at the serial number its pre-'44 and in great condition

but POA , If I have to ask I probably cant afford it :(



Didn't the v72c's only begin production in 1946? I did consider that one but wasn't happy with the movement engraving! Is 8k Eur+


the VZ family (two pusher) that evolved into the 72C and 730 was produced from 1938 onwards,
hour counter & calendar would be VZHC, w/o hour counter VZC

so the earliest possible 785 based on that movement would be 1938, the earliest I personally saw was 1945.
funny to note that the 1946 catalogue shows a Venus 191 as the Datora movement, personally only saw much later V191 examples.


Wondering if the v72/v72c 785's are physically distinguishable from their Venus movement counterparts just like the v72 806 NAvis and the Venus 806's are.


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Dracha wrote:
cruvon wrote:
What year did the 785's begin production?



if the french piece is correct (and it looks OK to me ) pre-'44
but I have no proof other than this single watch



Maybe someone can tell what movement that's sporting by looking at the movement? It would def have to be a 23c with that low serial, correct?


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Dracha wrote:
the 23c has been around for a lot longer , I believe it has the same base as the 72c ?

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db. ... aljoux_23C

do you have a movement shot ?, would be good to add to the knowledge base


This was the movement shot had posted earlier but as mentioned, don't think the engraving looks correct. Anyone knows what Valjoux movement this could be?


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cruvon wrote:
Wondering if the v72/v72c 785's are physically distinguishable from their Venus movement counterparts just like the v72 806 NAvis and the Venus 806's are.



easily distinguishable, drawing of a V191 below:
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