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He is a cr**k, but my feeling is that he has been duped quite often and then tries to convince himself and the whole world; if you look at his business model and self aggrandizing manners he is probably not the right subject for us collectors or business professionals, but for Mrs. WatchFred, the psychiatrist.

NOTE THE IDENTICAL SHAPE AROUND THE HALLMARK OF SCHROEDER'S "LADY'S HEAD" AND THE SHAPE AROUND THE ST BERNARD! I have done a lot of hallmark investigating and do know that they use these shapes around them from a reason (because the hallmark will wear off well before the shape it is inside). I would say this case was likely made post 1995 and stamped half assed... I have not found another assay office to use this same shape on their mark anywhere in the world except for Switzerland post 1995.

I think the pics are deleted ?
here's the pic of the ladies head 'hallmark' Schroederbert was trying to show and thats on the outside of his Telda rattrapante

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

and this is the watch he's trying to sell as a Breitling but in my opinion is really a Telda with Breitling written on it
pics were showing before but are no longer showing ?

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

The problem with this mark is the lack of other marks around it. No makers mark. No purity indication. This looks like a flimsy addition of a hallmark and I can't find record of it anywhere. It looks vaguely like Mercury, but not completely. I would say it is quite a meaningless mark.


The second one you show is absolutely made 1995 or later. There is no question whatsoever with those hallmarks. I can't CLAERLY see the dog's head, but I can clearly make out the shape around it, which is unique to the St. Bernard

EDIT: Oh, I finally clicked on the ebay link. So these marks are all on the same watch? both on the back of the case...one inside and one outside? The ones on the inside are correct...current Switzerland hallmark for 18kt gold. Definitely not even a reissue case

Yes, all marks appeared on the same watch case , 'strange' isn't it ?
like someone stamped an extra mark on the back

this one , same case , same ref and close serial, has the 'st bernards' dogs head but not the extra mark on the back

watch was from the same seller but is no longer for sale (sold?)

ONE FILE REMOVED DUE TO COPYRIGHT LEGAL COMPLAINT

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

I sure hope it hasn't sold. This is exactly why these assay marks are used...so people can tell when something was made. There is no mistaking the fact that both of these cases were produce 1995 or later and are the Telda cases as you asserted earlier in this thread. I don't understand how ANYONE could for one second argue otherwise. Have the serial numbers oN these cases been added later, or are they the original Telda serial numbers?

thats the real question , I dont know because I havent been able to find a Telda Rattrapante that shows the back cover
once I find one that shows the back as well in either SS or 18K gold I will have that answer

this shows a SS piece but without the all important back
http://home.catv-yokohama.ne.jp/hh/ywm/ ... /telda.htm

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Dracha,

I do notice the hands on the subdials are certainly different on those 2 watches from that same seller with the extremely close serial numbers. The second hand also appears to be different, as the first one has a small ball on the back of the seconds hand and the second one does not.

Also, the face on the first one says "WATERPROOF, ANTIMAGNETIC" and the face on the second one says "ANTIMAGNETIC, SHOCKPROTECTED" Does this have any real significance?

Michael
I think it does have significance. But ask yourself this

If these watches, which are only 4 pcs apart based on serial number , were made by Breitling from the same assembly line possibly put together on the same day, why are there so many differences ? bad quality control ?

lets count the differences
1) 2 different dials w/ different markings
2) all sub dial hands different on both watches
3) Rattrapante hands different on both watches
4) cases marked different

My hypothesis : someone build these together with what they had , as much as possible not using the Telda parts/hands that came off the watches as that would have been an immediate giveaway in Identifying them

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Yes, exactly what I was thinking as I looked at those pictures. These are superb quality watches, so to think they would be so sloppy in the details makes no sense whatsoever. Is there a catalog picture anywhere that you know of that shows exactly what one of these pieces should look like? I agree 100% that these are not authentic (either of them) and wonder how anyone could proclaim differently that doesn't have a vested interest in selling the pieces


EDIT: The hallmarks inside the cases are enough to prove beyond any doubt that these are absolutely not orginal, nevermind all of the other abnormalities

You mean Breitling catalog (I doubt they'll be in a catalog as in mu opinion Breitling didn't produce them) or a Telda Catalog ?

I have not yet found them but an Antiquorum lot listed them as 30 pcs in 18K gold , unknown number in SS but they were made is stainless as well

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Sorry, I was confused.