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...but surely you´re not saying that all the other watches like mine are also fakes?
Do you mean James Dowling with JR?...as the abbreviations also coincides with my own!...Jimmy Rosier

A fabrication of fakes?

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You pick and choose what is in your favour, yet you won´t consider any other watches of the same type, with the same engravings...How preposterous!

By the way, who is the fellow countryman I am supposed to be defending?

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Oh dear, here we go again.

I don't like getting half a story and clearly a lot happened in other places that I was not aware of.

I find some of the points in this thread persuasive, but I am not quite ready to change my opinion of this watch from my post last evening.

What I will say is that Rene (Dracha) is one of the most respected and knowledgeable members of this community and insulting him does nothing but damage the reputation of the person slinging the mud. For that reason I have no real desire to spend any more time or effort on assisting someone who clearly has his own mind made up about the piece.

I will explicitly state that I DO NOT consent to any of my comments being used in any future sale of this watch.

Jimmy, I meant JD (Dowling) , not JR ! appologies for that
I am downloading the pics of the watches in the other links , 1 by 1 and putting them along side each other
as soon as I am done I'll let you know what I found but in the mean time I am trying to get some work done as well

Roff, dont worry about it. I wont sell any watches stating "Roff says its authentic !! " and I'll be more than happy stating I made an error and was wrong as I gained more knowledge, and am also more than capable of holding my ground when I believe I am right

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

The same goes for me too

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Mr.Bo, sorry but you are not helping your case and the evaluation of your watch by throwing a tantrum. You asked for an opinion from members here and they gave you an impartial assessment based on their experience, afterall if you knew the answers you wouldn't ask, right? Taking it personally doesn't help the clinical evaluation of your watch and attacking respected members here will only cause other experts here not to voice their opinion in evaluating it, leaving the status of the watchs authenticity in limbo, just my 2c.

I didn't mean you




As will the vast majority of us here. What bugs me is when individuals turn the best efforts of people like yourself and the many others who freely give of their valuable knowledge and experience into personal attacks simply because they have different opinions. All of us here have grown tremendously over the last few years as the community has grown and we have been able to debate and discuss differences in a civilized manner, and then someone with 3 posts in 2 1/2 years comes here and calls your integrity into question - it irks me!

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I don´t think I gave the impression that my supplied evidence should be considered a personal attack on anybody, least of all, to Rene.
What´s good for one, should be good for another.
Sure, I only come here occasionaly, that´s because I don´t collect Breitling watches per se, I collect all watches, clocks and Chronometers, but my main interest is in Military horological items.
I don´t mind if someone calls my watch a fake, as long as he has the knowledge, or has had several of these watches to inspect. But...simply by looking at one watch (mine) and saying "fake" isn´t serious horological study. I don´t wish to offend anybody, as I also don´t wish to be offended, there are more subtle ways and means to reply!

Thank´s for all your answers up till now, especially to Bill in Sacramento, whom I respect (from other forums), who´s answers are always founded and well researched.

Jimmy

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Right............

So first things first
There's still something 'iffy' about the bridge marking on the Mr Bo watch , I don't know what it is but it might be down to the camera used , the lighting or a combination of the 2 but when doing a 1 to 1 comparison there's still differences. A better close up pic might take away all doubt ?



And I will graciously admit that Bo's watch (unlike Michael Maerz's fabrication) fall's into a category I think are authentic (congrats Bo)

What I have done over the last hours is compare several watches from several era's / series , and found that there are 4 distinct 'series' with each their own typical specs and characteristics (spelling?). I dont even know if we should post it here as we're giving away the details fakers need to produce better fakes as these are getting more and more expensive , 5000 GBP for a Omega , USD $60K for a Rolex military , so its only a matter of time before fakers discover Breitling doesnt have any records anymore so they can start producing more and more fakes.

anyways , here's series 1 through 4 and there might be others

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Rene, you are a true gentleman!

I wonder whether the bridge marking may be as simple as a manually operated stamping machine? The spacing seems to match so could it be the actual process of making the stamp that differed?

In terms of posting info at the risk of helping fakers, I think that it's a risk that we have to live with because it is only through posts like this that the overall knowledge of Breitling increases.

I believe its a different series of bridges stamped as the last bridge the LTD letters are all the same size , the first stamp L is big and TD are about half the size of the L

so its not just the spacing and alignment but also font size

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Thank you Rene, and my appologies for causing such a stir, sometimes discussions get a little overheated!...but it´s all in the interst of finding the truth, from the scarce information one has to filter out of the net.

Roff...well said!

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thank you for the time you invested in an area you are not even particularly interested in, René !
one of the most thorough posts ever.