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Ok, now for opinions - I would rate the new Sub and new GMT above Any Breitling without an in house movement. As for the non-sport Rolex line - it leaves me cold and there are many traditional Breilings I would rate above them, mostly by heavily weighting aesthetics. The DateJust movement is objectively superior to the movement in my Cockpit. Still I would take the Cockpit over a DateJust based on aesthetics.

Objectively I consider Rolex a finer watch than Breitling. Subjectively I prefer most Breitlings to all but 2 or 3 Rolex models.


That pretty much sums up my feeling to the tee except for the part about in-house Breitlings. From what I've seen I'm not too hot on them either.

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wow you must really love using those poke icons.

youre right in saying that its all about preference, but lets be honest there is a reason why Rolex sells 4 times the amount of watches that Breitling does. Designs are subjective. what you might think is a hot chick i would probably never look at twice.



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Whoa, now we're talking about poke icons too..? :poke: :lol:

There's no denying that Rolex sells a lot of watches thanks to their brilliant marketing strategy which from I read is second to none in the watch industry. The fact that Fake Rolexes flooding the market sells much more than Genuine Rolexes just proves how effective their strategy is! But does it mean that they are better product than Breitling? Louie Vuitton, (thanks to its superb marketing strategy) sells 10 times more ladies bags than Chanel but does that mean that they are better? Hyundai sells more cars in the US than Toyota but does it mean they are better? Again, at the end of the day it's a matter of preference, needs and taste.

Again, in MY OWN OPINION AND EXPERIENCE, Breitling watches are better than Rolex. I'd rather date a Hot Stylish Beautiful chick than an old stale boring conservative chick! :lol:


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Hyundai sells more cars in the US than Toyota but does it mean they are better?



Toyota versus Hyundai? Before or after the recall? :poke:

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Wow there is real passion on here!

Like I said previously, I didn't want this thread to end up as a Rolex bashing discussion; the bottom line is that going back to my original query I was just suprised at the values of certain second hand watches, OK Rolex in particular, compared to other top watch makers. The reason is that I have a few Breitlings, and my brother used to own a Rolex Datejust in steel and gold with diamonds on the hour markers. A very nice watch indeed; but compared to my own Breitling Chronomat in steel and gold with mother of pearl dial, it just didn't have the intrinsic quality feel of my 'Ling. What other people think I don't really care; and I'm not the sort of person who wears this with the priority being so that people look at me and think 'gosh he is wearing a very impressive timepiece; he must be rich, etc'. If I was I would have got a Rolex as they seem to attract that sort of thing. In fact I've never had anyone noticing the Chronomat; I don't remember ever getting a comment by anyone noticing what I was wearing. What is interesting however is I did once get someone noticing the watch, a work colleague on a works 'do' who asked if it was a Rolex; when I said it wasn't his reaction was such that 'oh well, I suppose we can only dream about owning something like that then'.

In this particular comparison, for example, the Rolex will have a higher resale than the 'Ling, just because it is a Rolex. Now, I'm not really to bothered as I don't have any plans to sell my watch, but the value makes really no sense to me, considering the Chronomat is a famous landmark watch. Similarly the Navitimer; the longest running chronograph watch in the world, but despite this a Rolex has a higher resale. This is odd to me.

The point is, I personally feel that Breitlings offer something special; as said previously I like Rolexes, but for the money I would much rather get a Jaeger or something like that. The rarity value alone has to be worth the premium. Just the fact that in my local dealer there are so many Rolexes for sale says to me they are actually very commonplace; part of the appeal of something like my Chronomat is that it is quite rare and unique - in fact in everyday life I could probably count on one hand the number of people I've seen wearing a Breitling.

One more thing; if you don't like a certain watch, then what is the problem? I don't really like the Bentley watches, but so what? It just means I'll probably never buy one, just like I might never own a Rolex. If other people do then it is their choice; I just choose to ignore their watch range; I don't get uptight about a company that offers something I don't like; life is too short, and to be honest if we are talking about the Swiss watch industry, well there is such a wide choice of types, prices, etc etc just get the one you like and stuff the rest!


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SimonC wrote:
Wow there is real passion on here!

Like I said previously, I didn't want this thread to end up as a Rolex bashing discussion; the bottom line is that going back to my original query I was just suprised at the values of certain second hand watches, OK Rolex in particular, compared to other top watch makers. The reason is that I have a few Breitlings, and my brother used to own a Rolex Datejust in steel and gold with diamonds on the hour markers. A very nice watch indeed; but compared to my own Breitling Chronomat in steel and gold with mother of pearl dial, it just didn't have the intrinsic quality feel of my 'Ling. What other people think I don't really care; and I'm not the sort of person who wears this with the priority being so that people look at me and think 'gosh he is wearing a very impressive timepiece; he must be rich, etc'. If I was I would have got a Rolex as they seem to attract that sort of thing. In fact I've never had anyone noticing the Chronomat; I don't remember ever getting a comment by anyone noticing what I was wearing. What is interesting however is I did once get someone noticing the watch, a work colleague on a works 'do' who asked if it was a Rolex; when I said it wasn't his reaction was such that 'oh well, I suppose we can only dream about owning something like that then'.

In this particular comparison, for example, the Rolex will have a higher resale than the 'Ling, just because it is a Rolex. Now, I'm not really to bothered as I don't have any plans to sell my watch, but the value makes really no sense to me, considering the Chronomat is a famous landmark watch. Similarly the Navitimer; the longest running chronograph watch in the world, but despite this a Rolex has a higher resale. This is odd to me.

The point is, I personally feel that Breitlings offer something special; as said previously I like Rolexes, but for the money I would much rather get a Jaeger or something like that. The rarity value alone has to be worth the premium. Just the fact that in my local dealer there are so many Rolexes for sale says to me they are actually very commonplace; part of the appeal of something like my Chronomat is that it is quite rare and unique - in fact in everyday life I could probably count on one hand the number of people I've seen wearing a Breitling.

One more thing; if you don't like a certain watch, then what is the problem? I don't really like the Bentley watches, but so what? It just means I'll probably never buy one, just like I might never own a Rolex. If other people do then it is their choice; I just choose to ignore their watch range; I don't get uptight about a company that offers something I don't like; life is too short, and to be honest if we are talking about the Swiss watch industry, well there is such a wide choice of types, prices, etc etc just get the one you like and stuff the rest!



Dude, it was just a Toyota recall joke. :roll:

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ShawnCris wrote:
Hyundai sells more cars in the US than Toyota but does it mean they are better?


Well, if we use the car analogy, it doesn't really work, because if you look at the manufacturers of premium cars, you only have a small number of makers; note we are talking about the absolute top; BMW for example are not included as they do produce a number of 'relatively' affordable cars (you don't see Patek Phillipe selling watches for £100 for example). I reckon the manufacturers who make cars at the absolute top are:

Aston Martin, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce; then a few others such as Pagani.

With Swiss watches, you have a lot more than that. That is what is odd, but that is also down to marketing. Each car maker has its' own niche customer; Aston Martin for example is a consumate gentlemans GT car. Porsche is for someone who wants a sports car he can use for everyday tasks, etc. The Swiss watch industry has a huge variety of makers, all offering a slightly different type of watch, yet the vast majority of buyers go for Rolex. I think the point I'm making here is that if people knew more about the other makers, they would be looking more at them, but due to marketing, public perception, etc people go for Rolex as they think they are the absolute top in quality, whereas someone in the know knows full well the finest watch maker is Patek Phillippe, for example.

I can't see an Aston Martin owner not buying a Ferrari because he hadn't heard of them; but I'd wager a lot of Rolex buyers have never heard of Vacheron Constantin, for example.

And so we get to my original posting, and I suppose it is the reason why Rolex values are so high, in comparison to other makers' watches, that I would put on the same level as Rolex or even higher.


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ShawnCris wrote:
Hyundai sells more cars in the US than Toyota but does it mean they are better?



Really? I find that extremely difficult to believe. Did you mean HONDA instead of Hyundai? I would love to the the stats to back that up.


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wow you must really love using those poke icons.

youre right in saying that its all about preference, but lets be honest there is a reason why Rolex sells 4 times the amount of watches that Breitling does. Designs are subjective. what you might think is a hot chick i would probably never look at twice.



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Whoa, now we're talking about poke icons too..? :poke: :lol:

There's no denying that Rolex sells a lot of watches thanks to their brilliant marketing strategy which from I read is second to none in the watch industry. The fact that Fake Rolexes flooding the market sells much more than Genuine Rolexes just proves how effective their strategy is! But does it mean that they are better product than Breitling? Louie Vuitton, (thanks to its superb marketing strategy) sells 10 times more ladies bags than Chanel but does that mean that they are better? Hyundai sells more cars in the US than Toyota but does it mean they are better? Again, at the end of the day it's a matter of preference, needs and taste.

Again, in MY OWN OPINION AND EXPERIENCE, Breitling watches are better than Rolex. I'd rather date a Hot Stylish Beautiful chick than an old stale boring conservative chick! :lol:


Listen anyone can grab a skank from the bar in a pair "cum F*** me boots" this doesnt make her a wife that you would want to keep around for years. there is no doubt that Breitling makes some stylish watches but the only piece that has stood the test of time is the Navitimer IMHO. Everything else has faded in and out.

as for the LV vs Chanel example I think this would be a better comparison if you compared Rolex (this would be LV) against Audemar Piguet (this would be chanel). If you were to classify Breitling as a purse they would be more comparable to Gucci. Designer but not quite as high end as the other 2.

Yes i know its sad that i know this stuff about bags but my wifes purse collection might give my watch collection a run...


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I like both Breitling and Rolex, as well as countless other Swiss brands. On the other hand there are plenty of Breitling and Rolex watches that I find ugly or boring as well.

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I like both Breitling and Rolex, as well as countless other Swiss brands. On the other hand there are plenty of Breitling and Rolex watches that I find ugly or boring as well.



Best post of the thread. Perfect to end this one on. Good night.

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Huttfuzz wrote:
Many reasons why Rolex is above Breitling in the pricepoint.

One of which are the name of the brand and recognition by everyone. The other is that compared to Breitling (apart from recently), Rolex uses in-house movements, which is more desirable and more expensive to product (i would guess).

I guess the experts can give you another thousand reasons.


Number one is, the Bosification of Rolex.

It's considered a nice watch for no reason other than many people think it is. Rolex to me is passe and far from unique. It's expected.

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Listen anyone can grab a skank from the bar in a pair "cum F*** me boots" this doesnt make her a wife that you would want to keep around for years.


Ouch! :uplaugh: kitty likes to scratch.

Must be a touchy subject! :lol:


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there is no doubt that Breitling makes some stylish watches but the only piece that has stood the test of time is the Navitimer IMHO. Everything else has faded in and out.

as for the LV vs Chanel example I think this would be a better comparison if you compared Rolex (this would be LV) against Audemar Piguet (this would be chanel). If you were to classify Breitling as a purse they would be more comparable to Gucci. Designer but not quite as high end as the other 2.

Yes i know its sad that i know this stuff about bags but my wifes purse collection might give my watch collection a run...


Hey Listen :poke: , if you truly believe that that the only "stylish" Breitling watch that stood the test of time is the Navitimer and everything else faded then I completely respect your opinion just as IMHO, Rolex watches are overhype, overrated, overpriced stale looking watches that look exactly like duplicates of the watches it made half a century ago.

By the way, my gf who is connected to the fashion industry for many years now is quite amused with your comment that Gucci is not quite as high end a as Louie Vuitton! :lol: She said becoming a member at purseforum.com will probably enlighten you. :lol:


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SimonC wrote:
I reckon the manufacturers who make cars at the absolute top are:

Aston Martin, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce; then a few others such as Pagani.

I can't see an Aston Martin owner not buying a Ferrari because he hadn't heard of them


I could not disagree more. The car manufacturers you are mentioning are not premium manufacturers but rather niche ones. Most of these cars cannot or will not be used as an every day drive, especially the Pagani. The sole exception is Porsche. Also, you do not consider BMW as a premium manufacturer but Rolls IS BMW.

Furthermore, a Ferrari driver will never even consider buying an Aston, for example, not because it's a bad car but because it is not of the same philosophy at all.

As for Rolex, it may be one of the best manufacturer in the world but that is not why people buy them. The grand majority buy them because of what Rolex stand for and they don't even know what's in it, as long as it is a Rolex. The BS community represents the minority, in spite of the much more pertinent comments and opinions.

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