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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:24 am 
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There are two types of homages - a brand reissuing a tribute to its own discontinued model and another brand inexpensively mimicking an expensive model from another brand. Not sure why we are even discussing the former, it's inapposite to the point of the OP's.


I was under the impression that the OP's and others discussion wrt to homages was referring to a brand reissuing a tribute to its own discontinued model as not agreeable. If it's the later case the OP is referring to ( which I would class as fakes rather than homages) of another brand inexpensively mimicking an expensive model from another brand, I would agree that that in this case watches shouldn't be classed as a homage even if the companies selling them do! I guess is a difference in understanding the terminology for "homage" here by me:)


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This got removed, still not sure why - pretty sure I didn't violate any terms (at least not in this post).

Would a watch spelled Breiting or a watch spelled R0lex be considered a homage or a fake? It's not the same name.

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This got removed, still not sure why - pretty sure I didn't violate any terms (at least not in this post).

What do you think got removed? I've checked the moderation logs and there's nothing that's been deleted under your name since this thread was started. Are you sure you didn't press Cancel instead of Submit when you posted?

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This got removed, still not sure why - pretty sure I didn't violate any terms (at least not in this post).

What do you think got removed? I've checked the moderation logs and there's nothing that's been deleted under your name since this thread was started. Are you sure you didn't press Cancel instead of Submit when you posted?



I got accused of the same thing via PM :roll:


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I disagree but everyones entitled to their own opinion. It's the same as the new Mini, new VW Beetle, the new homage Rolex Explorer, Submariners, Seadwellers all homages to the originals either explicitly advertised as such or by heritage, are they all crap, I don't think so. For some, it's all about reliving the attachment to the good old times without dealing with the issues associated with owning a vintage equivalent. Offcourse one could drive a 1973 VW Beetle or wear a plastic crystal vintage Submariner but that might not be practical enough to everyone and it might not always be to do with money. It's more about living out the nostalgia associated with the era and if it can be done with a shiny new piece of metal and upgraded engineering representing the design of a bygone era and the person is happy with it in the form of the new Beetle or Mini or a sapphire crystal Explorer or Submariner, so be it. Offcourse if one really wants to traverse the pure vintage route and has the time and energy to do that and live with the issues that vintage things bring, good on them too. I feel and play both homage and vintage and modern once in a while!


You're missing the point, I am NOT talking about brands who make homages of their OWN items. That's perfectly fine. If Breitling made a homage today of one of their original navitimers that's perfectly fine. My issue is if cruvon watch company decided to make a watch that looked nearly identical to a navitimer, minus the breitling name, and sold it only for a few hundred bucks and labels it as a Homage. That's my issue and there are companies out there doing that and I can't support it, I think it's a fake.

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I was under the impression that the OP's and others discussion wrt to homages was referring to a brand reissuing a tribute to its own discontinued model as not agreeable. If it's the later case the OP is referring to ( which I would class as fakes rather than homages) of another brand inexpensively mimicking an expensive model from another brand, I would agree that that in this case watches shouldn't be classed as a homage even if the companies selling them do! I guess is a difference in understanding the terminology for "homage" here by me:)


Just read your follow up post, I think we're on the same page now. :cheer:

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But lest we think this "homage" business is mostly a watch deal, visit your local grocery store. It's filled with homages - inexpensive and lower quality generic foods and supplies. Those frugal phonies eating "homage" Corn flakes are insecure superficial dolts. I mean really, who do they think they are fooling?


No No-Frills Corn Flakes allowed in my house. It's Kellogs or nothing! And god forbid my wife brings home Hydrox cookies instead of Oreos!!!!!!! :poke:

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I would also look at how closely the "homage" copies the other brand's original design. If they are virtually identical except for the letters "P A N E R A I" -- then to me it's as bad as a fake.

The idea of "homage" should be "inspired by", not 99.9% duplicate.

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mfserge wrote:
sharkman wrote:

But lest we think this "homage" business is mostly a watch deal, visit your local grocery store. It's filled with homages - inexpensive and lower quality generic foods and supplies. Those frugal phonies eating "homage" Corn flakes are insecure superficial dolts. I mean really, who do they think they are fooling?


No No-Frills Corn Flakes allowed in my house. It's Kellogs or nothing! And god forbid my wife brings home Hydrox cookies instead of Oreos!!!!!!! :poke:



Oh God! In my neighborhood as a kid, one of my best friends' Mom only bought Hydrox. Evertime I went over it was Hydrox and milk. True friendship is suffering the horror of Hydrox over and over. :lol:

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Personally I don't have an issue with homages, fakes are another story. They just suck, I get homages though. Not everyone can afford a $6k Panerai, if they want one and can only afford a homage, not a fake, from a company that isn't trying to pawn it off as an original then I don't have a problem.

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Personally I don't have an issue with homages, fakes are another story. They just suck, I get homages though. Not everyone can afford a $6k Panerai, if they want one and can only afford a homage, not a fake, from a company that isn't trying to pawn it off as an original then I don't have a problem.

That's pretty much my thoughts on it. After all, practically every watch out there owes at least something to a watch that's gone before in terms of design.

At what point does drawing on an existing watch's design become too much? 10% copy/homage? 20%? 50%, 90%? For me it only becomes too much when they put an incorrect brand name/logo on it. Until then, it's not attempting to be passed off as a genuine item, which means it's fine in my book. Yes it shows a complete lack of originality (e.g. Ocean 7's *ahem* "Ploprof"), but no-one is going to be conned, and the person wearing it isn't attempting to be something he/she is not. But put an incorrect brand name on it, and that's a different story : it's an infringement of copywrite for one, and secondly some innocent person may be conned out of money believing it to be real.

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And maybe it's just me but I have less of an issue with a smaller boutique type company that makes a limited number of homages to a certain watch than I do with a company like Invicta that mass produces copies of popular watches with small changes and tries to call itself a watch maker.

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I personally consider the Panerai base watches a homage to the original Italian Navy WWII watch. A Failed company saved by Richemont and Sylvester Stallone. Different company ownership and different mechanics, however similar look. Original design though.


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I dont really care either way, but I agree that a fake has some type of trademark infringement. An homage does not. One thing though, is that fakes are usually pieces of junk, while a lot of homages are actually well made. I wouldnt personally buy one, but dont really care if somebody else does.

And my mom used to buy Hydrox cookies. I didnt even know they were homages until I got older.

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Can someone please post a dealer/company link of what they mean by homages refered to? For example can a third company actually make a homage watch to say the Rolex Daytona with a few modifications and then call it a homage Rolex Daytona legally without legal action against them? Guess am missing something or havent come across these type of homages. But then again am down under in Australia, too far from all these developments;)
Reminds me of the recent attempt by Samsung to copy Apples intellectual property by copying the iPhone with a few modifications, then selling it cheaper and got into trouble for that but then they didn't even brand it as a iPhone homage, imagine if they did. I think making such copies, while might seem initially cheaper to people buying them, damages the desire for innovation by enterprising companies and can even kill them since they have put a lot of resources into the design of these iconic pieces. So is always good to support the originals.


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The manufacturers don't normally call it an homage except maybe if its relative to their own past product. That's just how they are referred to in the marketplace. Orient, for example, or Davosa or Debaufre, will call their watch that looks a whole lot like a Sub something else, but it's evident what it is. The subject watch of the OP's comment rides a thin ine because it copies the original so much. I believe the brand may even be a homogeny of earlier model names from the original watchmaker, and the same typeset is used. The possiblity of deceit is greater.

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