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Just a plate of wet noodles.

and jlee and me just suggested to ban him ....
highly interesting thread, though, makes great holiday reading.

Thanks for this note. I have those images saved as the best documented example of a Serie Limitee, since it had original papers, etc. The movement markings are a definite "signature" for these.

gawd, that is lame.

You may or may not ban him, but this has been a tremendously informative thread.

Just to clarify for members who may be newer......

It takes a lot to be banned from BreitlingSource, and some will say that in the past I have been too tolerant for too long. However, the obvious way that someone can get banned, and something that has happened in the vintage section in the past, is if a banned member tries to circumvent a ban by creating a new user name.

I have access to information about how users access the sites and if I see similarities / matches then I will not hesitate to act. Here, the clear perception of many members is that Schroeder is the latest name that Michael / Alex / Norbert is going by - I suspect that anyone familiar with vintage Breitlings knows who that is and their reputation in the community. They have been banned under four or five usernames now including one or two that they never posted with they just used to send PMs trying to solicit business from members.

Schroeder uses a lot of different IP addresses to access the site, and certainly more than I would expect to see from a relatively low volume poster, but they are all from the same pool so perhaps assigned by an ISP. They are all German IPs. There are no similarities and so unless other rules are breached I will not band regardless of what I or others may suspect.

What I will say is that the posts in this thread today have gone a long way towards confirming / raising suspicions of who Schroeder is and what his motives are for being here. As Shakespeare put it "hoisted by his own petard"

I enjoy reading posts, and still baffled by how much some people on here know - what is a Duograph? Why do they cost as much as they do? Beginner question, but just trying to learn. Thanks

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Dear Members,

The Breitling Duograph discussed here belongs to me and i'm indeed selling it on my website: http://www.carsandwatches.com

The discussion is very interesting and I would like to clarify the background since there is one questionmark (at least to me).

The history for the last 30 years of this watch is known! I bought the watch from a family friend who's had it for at least 20 years. He bought the watch in Belgium from a private person who also had it for quite some time. This is no BS story!

When he showed me the watch I couldn't believe it cause it's drop-dead gorgeous and seemed original in every aspect. So I bought it. Doing some research together with my watchmaker, we established the dial is 100% original, as is the movement. The 18K pink gold case had us a bit puzzled but on closer inspection it could only be a French case (hallmarks). Next to this, all other case details (pushers, crown, quality etc) is original and not something made recently. Hence, we firmly believe the piece is 100% original. The only questionmark is the missing number... we've submitted all info & pics to Breitling but unfortunately no info up to now. It could be that being a French case, numbering is different.

If anybody has more info concerning these French cases, that would be highly appreciated. As mentioned, the watch is amazing and to me original. I only sell 100% original watches with original dials and would have never offered it for sale if I wasn't convinced otherwise. I never change anything to my watches and probably would not have had this discussion if I had simply engraved the 'missing numer'. But, maybe in time more info becomes available and it turns out the numbering is correct for a French case

To me it's worth every penny and certainly worth more than most re-editions/remade Duographs one sees for sale (for higher prices). Compared to other vintage rattrapantes it's even cheap...

Thank you.

Best, Dino

Hi Dino,

welcome to the forum and thanks for posting !

As you say that there is some question about the case , would you mind sharing with us the hallmark you're talking about ?
most likely you're referring to the 3 digit number in the hammerhead ? , if you're not referring to that number , would you mind sharing that as well ?
those hallmarks may shed some light on the case maker and whether or not it was made by a casemaker used by Breitling during that period

thanks and regards
-Rene (also from NL)

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

I know Breitling did use some 18k French cases during this period. I had one that had the eagles head (French 18k mark) stamped on it.

Welcome to BreitlingSource - the more knowledgeable experts and trustworthy sellers here the better!

I have seen some French cases in the past so definitely not a showstopper, but I don't recall what the hallmarks or years were. I've also never seen any explanation of when or why French cases were used. As Rene says if we can establish the maker as a Breitling supplier that will help a lot.

Dear all,

The watch has some eagle-head hallmarks which was used for French cases only after the war. Patek and JLC also used the same hallmark. One is located at the outside of the case (side) & I think also inside the caseback. The watch is in the bank safe so I have to collect it and examine/photograph it again.

Next to this, the rare pusher-winding crown & the female push-pins are indications that it's a vintage piece. I've never seen a re-edition / remade case where the makers have gone to such lenghts (time & effort, thus expensive) to remake a case. The case shows such quality that I have no doubts about it.

Cheers, D

Dear all,

I made an image of the hallmark, it's on the side of the case but very difficult to photograph. With a loupe one can see the eagle-head. If interested, drop me a mail and I'll send you the picture.

Best regards, Dino

somewhere between 1995 and 1997 Telda made 50 pieces Rattrapante with the venus 185 some in gold and some in SS

The manufacturing dates '95-'97 perfectly match the Gold Hall mark of the fake Rattramaerz that was shown to us earlier in this thread .

here are some pics of the Telda pieces , with thanks to Antiquorum, Christies , Japan Watch museum mand http://www.ikada.de/ratt-pic-1.htm

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

great catch, René ! (second apostrophe today well deserved, 0233)
Schroederbert The Enlightened will love to learn that.

Do you really believe for 1 second he doesn't know already ?

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard