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Ive been contemplating a GMTIIc or SubC for a while now. Even came really close to putting a FS ad for the pam. Next day I was sitting at the car wash and this guy next to me was wearing a GMT. I asked myself if thats what I wanted...to be the guy who knows nothing about watches, has a Rolex, thinks he's super cool for it (but clearly isnt very cool...well, maybe he is...I dont know the guy :lol: )... I still havent let it go, but I just wonder if joining the droves of owners that I see on a daily or weekly basis will get real old, real fast. :?:



That's exactly the way I felt about owning a Rolex. Then I saw the GMTIIc and Subc. I loved them, but walked away thinking, "I'm not gonna be one of THOSE guys." Later I asked myself, "Do I even know how many of THOSE guys there are or whether THOSE guys really exist in meaningful numbers?" Then I asked, "Why would I not buy an objectively awesome watch I subjectively truly like a lot based on something that lies somewhere between pure illusion and simple pre-conveived notions?" And so I got the Subc and don't regret it.

The reality is we can use the same logic about the cars we drive (might there be a crap load of guys who drive BMWs and MBs who know nothing about cars and think driving one simply makes them look super cool?). Or the golf clubs we use, suits we wear, and on and on. Hell one can even make the same pre-judgment about LV luggage. No wait, all of us here can agree that would be neither illusion or pre-judgment (Archie42). :lol:


The big question Shark is, what attracted you to it in the first place.

Did you look at it first because it was a Rolex or an MB or an LV and THEN you found you liked it or did you look at it, you liked it and THEN it turned out to be a Rolex or an LV or an MB?

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The big question Shark is, what attracted you to it in the first place.

Did you look at it first because it was a Rolex or an MB or an LV and THEN you found you liked it or did you look at it, you liked it and THEN it turned out to be a Rolex or an LV or an MB?


That question doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. When you look at a Rolex you KNOW it's a Rolex. They're masters at branding & marketing.

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The big question Shark is, what attracted you to it in the first place.

Did you look at it first because it was a Rolex or an MB or an LV and THEN you found you liked it or did you look at it, you liked it and THEN it turned out to be a Rolex or an LV or an MB?


That question doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. When you look at a Rolex you KNOW it's a Rolex. They're masters at branding & marketing.


What I meant was, were you going for a Rolex specifically or you just liked a watch at first glance which turned out to be a Rolex (that would be unmistakable, of course).

You know, you're looking at a watch for the first secs and then you say to yourself, of course it's nice, it's a Rolex.

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guys i can say that i was formerly a HUGE Rolex hater. I use to go around smashing them every chance that i got. As most of you know my opinion has changed as of late. The new Subc and GMT II c are both amazing watches. dont get it twisted, they are mass produced high end watches. Sure there are alot of people that own them for various reasons, some because they have followed the brand for years and are aficianados, others because its the only brand they know, some for design reasons and the list goes on.

Whatever category you fall in, you can not argue that these latest 2 offering by Rolex are serious quality. The whole Rolex line for that matter is serious quality. In the end I could care less what other people think about whats on my wrist. For me its how I veiw that particular brand. Can i see myself appreciating what that brand is and offers. And as a new Rolex convert, I can say with no hesitation YES to Rolex!


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Whatever category you fall in, you can not argue that these latest 2 offering by Rolex are serious quality. The whole Rolex line for that matter is serious quality. In the end I could care less what other people think about whats on my wrist. For me its how I veiw that particular brand. Can i see myself appreciating what that brand is and offers. And as a new Rolex convert, I can say with no hesitation YES to Rolex!


I never questioned Rolex quality. To the contrary.

What I have a problem with is the image of Rolex. You may know what's in your Rolex and you appreciate it for that but I doubt that the majority of the Rolex owners do. They just picked it up because of the brand and because it may be more expensive than their friend's.

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I personally don't like Rolex simply because I haven't been attracted to any of them yet.

But........

I couldn't care less what kind of image they do or don't have. I buy my watches for me and if people want to form opinions about me based on that then that's their problem not mine. If someone like a Rolex or any other brand and decides to buy it then good luck to them. I fail to see the relevance of whether they were first attracted to it because of the name, the image, or anything else - who the heck cares.


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Whatever category you fall in, you can not argue that these latest 2 offering by Rolex are serious quality. The whole Rolex line for that matter is serious quality. In the end I could care less what other people think about whats on my wrist. For me its how I veiw that particular brand. Can i see myself appreciating what that brand is and offers. And as a new Rolex convert, I can say with no hesitation YES to Rolex!


I never questioned Rolex quality. To the contrary.

What I have a problem with is the image of Rolex. You may know what's in your Rolex and you appreciate it for that but I doubt that the majority of the Rolex owners do. They just picked it up because of the brand and because it may be more expensive than their friend's.


Tomcat, you are right that some people buy it because it's a Rolex...and some people view it as a status symbol...and some people have no idea what's inside of it. But honestly.. WHO CARES????

Do you live your life based on what other idiots do??? I could care less what other people buy or why they wear what they wear. I buy something that I like based on MY preferences.

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Whatever category you fall in, you can not argue that these latest 2 offering by Rolex are serious quality. The whole Rolex line for that matter is serious quality. In the end I could care less what other people think about whats on my wrist. For me its how I veiw that particular brand. Can i see myself appreciating what that brand is and offers. And as a new Rolex convert, I can say with no hesitation YES to Rolex!


I never questioned Rolex quality. To the contrary.

What I have a problem with is the image of Rolex. You may know what's in your Rolex and you appreciate it for that but I doubt that the majority of the Rolex owners do. They just picked it up because of the brand and because it may be more expensive than their friend's.


Tomcat, you are right that some people buy it because it's a Rolex...and some people view it as a status symbol...and some people have no idea what's inside of it. But honestly.. WHO CARES????

Do you live your life based on what other idiots do??? I could care less what other people buy or why they wear what they wear. I buy something that I like based on MY preferences.


Point well taken Sergio. I have to agree with you. :bow:

It's normal AND logical to buy something based on one's preferences. Even if logic isn't always respected. But, like you correctly said, WHO CARES?

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Point well taken Sergio. I have to agree with you. :bow:


I don't mean to sound like a d!ck to you because you're a good guy...you like roman numerals and all...but give Rolex another look one day. Don't be dissuaded only because others view it as a status symbol. If they don't appeal to you like Roff said then that's totally understandable.

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Point well taken Sergio. I have to agree with you. :bow:


I don't mean to sound like a d!ck to you because you're a good guy...you like roman numerals and all...but give Rolex another look one day. Don't be dissuaded only because others view it as a status symbol. If they don't appeal to you like Roff said then that's totally understandable.


Thanks Sergio :D

To the contrary, there are many pieces that Rolex makes that appeal to me. Especially some with romans :wink:

But I have to overcome that status symbol thing. Maybe one day...

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Actually I too was a devout Rolex hater as my posts from a year or so ago attest. The reason I looked at the watch is because it was in a case 10 feet away from the Breitling’s I was looking at and the salesperson asked me to look at it. In my head, being a Rolex hater, I was able to concede it was a really nice watch, but my prejudice against Rolex led me to simply blow it off. “Eh, it’s a Rolex! Overrated, overpriced, and worn by buffoons who don’t know any better.” And that lasted for months as I would bop into the AD to look at Breitling’s and take a quick peek at the Subc and GMTIIc.

Ultimately I found that the admiration I had for Breitling’s was based on the same type of pre-conceived notions I had about Rolex and Rolex owners – “hey man these are BREITLINGS. Real watches with REAL style for REAL people who really know watches, not those deluded Rolex cretins.”

Well that was just bullshit. Half the Breitling wearing population are a bunch of pretenders with 6 gold chains around their neck and their shirt unbuttoned to their crotch and yet that didn’t stop me from appreciating and owning Breilings.

In the end I bought Rolex INSPITE of the prejudice I had against the brand and my presumption about their buyers.

Who cares if you look at something BECAUSE of the name? Who here hasn’t looked at a particular Breitling BECAUSE it’s a Breitling? The first BMW I bought, I looked at BECAUSE it was a BMW and bought it because I liked it. If I’m looking for a new set of clubs, you can be sure I’ll look at the current TaylorMade offerings BECAUSE they are TaylorMade, but I’m not buying them if they don’t suit my needs. If I’m traveling and looking where to stay, I’ll consider Hilton and Marriot first BECAUSE they are Hilton and Marriot.

Singling out Rolex and watches while excluding cars, sporting good, hotels, etc…makes no sense at all. Nor does this discussion. Why should I not own and enjoy a fantastic watch that is perfect for me just because the occasional goon gets a hard on wearing one?

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Point well taken Sergio. I have to agree with you. :bow:


I don't mean to sound like a d!ck to you because you're a good guy...you like roman numerals and all...but give Rolex another look one day. Don't be dissuaded only because others view it as a status symbol. If they don't appeal to you like Roff said then that's totally understandable.


Thanks Sergio :D

To the contrary, there are many pieces that Rolex makes that appeal to me. Especially some with romans :wink:

But I have to overcome that status symbol thing. Maybe one day...


i think that if you look at the watch for what it is and remove the thought of how the general public views it, you might really love Rolex. i know i did.


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Actually I too was a devout Rolex hater as my posts from a year or so ago attest. The reason I looked at the watch is because it was in a case 10 feet away from the Breitling’s I was looking at and the salesperson asked me to look at it. In my head, being a Rolex hater, I was able to concede it was a really nice watch, but my prejudice against Rolex led me to simply blow it off. “Eh, it’s a Rolex! Overrated, overpriced, and worn by buffoons who don’t know any better.” And that lasted for months as I would bop into the AD to look at Breitling’s and take a quick peek at the Subc and GMTIIc.

Ultimately I found that the admiration I had for Breitling’s was based on the same type of pre-conceived notions I had about Rolex and Rolex owners – “hey man these are BREITLINGS. Real watches with REAL style for REAL people who really know watches, not those deluded Rolex cretins.”

Well that was just bullshit. Half the Breitling wearing population are a bunch of pretenders with 6 gold chains around their neck and their shirt unbuttoned to their crotch and yet that didn’t stop me from appreciating and owning Breilings.

In the end I bought Rolex INSPITE of the prejudice I had against the brand and my presumption about their buyers.

Who cares if you look at something BECAUSE of the name? Who here hasn’t looked at a particular Breitling BECAUSE it’s a Breitling? The first BMW I bought, I looked at BECAUSE it was a BMW and bought it because I liked it. If I’m looking for a new set of clubs, you can be sure I’ll look at the current TaylorMade offerings BECAUSE they are TaylorMade, but I’m not buying them if they don’t suit my needs. If I’m traveling and looking where to stay, I’ll consider Hilton and Marriot first BECAUSE they are Hilton and Marriot.

Singling out Rolex and watches while excluding cars, sporting good, hotels, etc…makes no sense at all. Nor does this discussion. Why should I not own and enjoy a fantastic watch that is perfect for me just because the occasional goon gets a hard on wearing one?


Again, I'll have to agree with you, too, Tom.

I guess I'm still at the stage where I haven't overcome that bullshit, as you say. But you learn something everyday...

But I can tell you this, when I bought my first BMW, I bought it because I liked it and not because it was a BMW. Heck, who cared about BMW back then? It's a whole new ball game now though.

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But I can tell you this, when I bought my first BMW, I bought it because I liked it and not because it was a BMW. Heck, who cared about BMW back then? It's a whole new ball game now though.


Jeepers! How old are you?


But don't worry, mate. Once you reach the point where you are good considering "dating" morbidly obsese ugly women for their inner beauty, you'll be at the point to truly consider that first Rolex. :lol: (of course once you get the rollie on your wrist, all the pretty young models will be all over you. That is how it works, right??)

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of course once you get the rollie on your wrist, all the pretty young models will be all over you. That is how it works, right??


You mean like this one?

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/888b14 ... -b01-watch

She even sounds like Achie42.

Otherwise, I may consider her inner beauty:

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/3128864_f520.jpg

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