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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:49 am 
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diverdown1987 wrote:
I have this issue with a Steelfish, 4 minutes a month. Do you work with a lot of electronics, this is prob the issue.



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stew007 wrote:
Its not all that hard to do. I normaly regulate my own watches if they need it, with a bit of trial and error you can normally get it to within about 1-2secs without much effort.


I agree it is farily easy to regulate if you know what lever to move, but the tool to open a breitling caseback is quite expensive - isn't it? I am not sure if a ball opener would work or not?


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Maybe you need a Milgauss!

Seriously it might be the enviroment your in?

I would complain ALOT and mention the forum and how you will be advising the whole world of the outcome of this complaint!
I have never liked 'Tourneau'... but thats prob just me.
Maybe call Switzerland also!

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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:34 pm 
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James.uk: I doubt it is my environment. Although I work in the electronics industry, I spend my time working on a computer. If that is enough to cause problems, then the watch would be, frankly, unsuitable for typical use and therefore unsellable.
When I first took it in to Tourneau, they ran it through their demagnetizer and it didn't make any difference.
Besides, since Breitling finally regulated it this third time back to them, it has been running okay as far as rate is concerned.
It is just the stuttering chrono second hand and the scratches that I'm complaining about.

Breitling USA have my watch at the moment (for the fourth time) and I spoke briefly with a (the?) technical director.
I am currently waiting for him to get back to me.


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Many yeArs ago I owned a Rolex submariner. It consistently ran show this was in 1977. I sent the watch myself to Rolex in NewYotk and they fooled around with it and sent it back to me running even slower than it dis originally. Back it went with letter to highest USA officer. Back it came, no satisfaction. What irked me the most is Ihat I hate a watch that runs slow...slower. After more changes and unfriendly notes from Rolex, what did I do? I went to another Rolex AD, traded the Submariner for an updated 1979 model which kept near perfect time until last month, when I sold it to buy my first Breitling (navitmer montbrillant Olympus frm an AD in England. Alexander Michaels jewelers treated me wonderfully. They are the real deal. I hope your BUSA stories are not all bad, as was my Rolex experience.

I love my new Breotling, and I am over the regrets for selling my Rolex. Steve

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:17 pm 
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It's been a while since I last posted an update.

I spoke to the Technical Director at Breitling USA.
Apparently, he examined the watch with his technician and they supposedly couldn't see any juddering of the chronograph second hand unless they examined it very carefully through a jeweler's loupe.
Not sure what could be going on there. It was completely obvious to me and all those I showed it to.
Perhaps it was a temperamental problem that shifted during shipping.
Anyway, he said there was some sort of spring they would replace that apparently will help with this sort of problem.

After hanging up the phone, I thought about this.
This was the fourth time the watch has been back to them. It arrived last time with scratches and the the chrono was stuttering (which they couldn't or didn't want to see).
So I called back, got put through to his voicemail and left a message that I felt they really needed to replace the movement and give me a new two year warranty.

No return call.

Called back twice more.

No return call.

So by now I'm getting pretty pissed off. They could, of course, have refused to replace the movement. But not returning my call is inexcusable.

So I called the manager at the Tourneau store where I bought the watch to find out what he knew (since he had been speaking to them too).
He told me that last he heard, they were not going to replace the movement or extend the warranty.
I told him that I was going to contact Breitling head office in Switzerland to complain, but I agreed to hold off a little bit since he wanted to contact them one last time.

Anyway, a week-and-a-half later I hadn't heard from him, so I called the store to speak to him.

It seems he "no longer works for the company".

The Tourneau area manager was picking up his cases and she rather efficiently called me back.
I explained the case a little to her and she called Breitling the following day and later that same day, called me back.

Breitling told her that they had, in fact, replaced the movement (though they were maintaining there was nothing wrong) and, according to them, they had let the previous manager know this but he had failed to let me know .... and they'd be more than happy to speak to me, should I so wish. They were not going to extend the warranty for two years, but would extend it for one year from now.

The area manager at Tourneau said there was no real way for her to determine if a new movement had been put in the watch, but she got her technician to put it on some form of tester and it came back with a reading of >245. I'm not sure what the tester did, but apparently, a movement that was in a watch bought in 2009 and could well have been manufactured in 2008 would unlikely have given such a high reading. So, she felt it probably was a new movement. Although, when it went back for the third time and it supposedly got a complete overhaul, my guess is that would have the same effect as a new movement.

Anyone know what this test would have been measuring?

So, my watch is back at the store and I'm going to pick it up over this weekend.

If they did put a new movement in the watch, do the movements themselves have serial numbers which is what should be on the case back? Is there anything to be concerned about if the watch serial number has not been changed?
(I was told previously that they had accepted the scratches and tool marks, had polished the case back and re-applied the serial number).

I really hope the watch now runs correctly ...... I'm worn out!


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Of course they can tell if the movement has been replaced - it will now have a different serial number from the watch. That's not a problems if Breitling did it as their records will reflect that.

The watchmaker tested the amplitude (degrees that the balance wheel turns) and over time that will reduce so it's a fair test. However, all that it proves is whether the balance / hair spring is new, not necessarily that the movement is.


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Hi Roffensian,

Thanks for the information.

In fairness, I should say that the area manager from Tourneau said that she couldn't determine if a new movement had been put in the watch without opening it. And she didn't want to do that because it could affect the warranty.


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