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Roff, what I don't understand is... (and I'm asking to you because you know more than me and I think you're an expert) is an in-house movement better than an ETA?
There are so many movements and they are all different, they have their pros and cons.
To compare two similar movements... is Rolex cal3135 better than B17?

"Better" is way too subjective a word and the answer entirely depends on what your definition of "better" is. If better to you means "cheaper", then ETA is the way forward. If ease of maintenance/availability of parts constitutes "better", then again ETA is the way to go. If reliability means better, then again ETA may come out on top (although not always).

However, if better to you means "exclusivity", then in-house is definitely "better". (Some people - myself included - like watches that contain movements that you won't find in any other watch). If "better" means longer power reserve (e.g. 7 or 8 days) then some in-houses offer that, while no ETA does. To some people, better means "totally hand made", or "more and/or unusual complications" or "unusual features" - all of which may be offered by some in-house movements, but not by any ETA.

It's the age-old car analogy - if you want a reliable, cheap runaround, you by a Ford. If you want something more exclusive, you buy a Ferrari. Sure the Ferrari is costly to buy and own, and may not be as practical or have the reliability, but that is of less importance to buyers compared to exclusivity and performance.

It entirely depends on what you want and what your own definition of "better" is.



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Driver8 wrote:
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Roff, what I don't understand is... (and I'm asking to you because you know more than me and I think you're an expert) is an in-house movement better than an ETA?
There are so many movements and they are all different, they have their pros and cons.
To compare two similar movements... is Rolex cal3135 better than B17?

"Better" is way too subjective a word and the answer entirely depends on what your definition of "better" is. If better to you means "cheaper", then ETA is the way forward. If ease of maintenance/availability of parts constitutes "better", then again ETA is the way to go. If reliability means better, then again ETA may come out on top (although not always).

However, if better to you means "exclusivity", then in-house is definitely "better". (Some people - myself included - like watches that contain movements that you won't find in any other watch). If "better" means longer power reserve (e.g. 7 or 8 days) then some in-houses offer that, while no ETA does. To some people, better means "totally hand made", or "more and/or unusual complications" or "unusual features" - all of which may be offered by some in-house movements, but not by any ETA.

It's the age-old car analogy - if you want a reliable, cheap runaround, you by a Ford. If you want something more exclusive, you buy a Ferrari. Sure the Ferrari is costly to buy and own, and may not be as practical or have the reliability, but that is of less importance to buyers compared to exclusivity and performance.

It entirely depends on what you want and what your own definition of "better" is.


For once, I'm glad a thread got off-topic. :D

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For once, I'm glad a thread got off-topic. :D

Well... let's talk about the global economy... I forget what this thread was about. :wink:


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So.... if we all agree, is it still hijacking a thread?

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I agree that the Chronomat is ugly. The B01 is an improvement, but some of the older Chronomat colorways were hideous.....


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I'm surprised with no love for the Chronomat (Evo). I just got mine. And I am plesantly surprised it is becoming my daily wearer. Unless you're talking about the B01. Personally, the B01 makes me wretch. That bezel just does nothign for me.

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systematic.entropy wrote:
So.... if we all agree, is it still hijacking a thread?

If Archie started the thread, does it matter?


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Evo = damn sexy
B01 = damn ugly (but just because of the bezel)

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Driver8 wrote:
"Better" is way too subjective a word and the answer entirely depends on what your definition of "better" is. If better to you means "cheaper", then ETA is the way forward. If ease of maintenance/availability of parts constitutes "better", then again ETA is the way to go. If reliability means better, then again ETA may come out on top (although not always).

However, if better to you means "exclusivity", then in-house is definitely "better". (Some people - myself included - like watches that contain movements that you won't find in any other watch). If "better" means longer power reserve (e.g. 7 or 8 days) then some in-houses offer that, while no ETA does. To some people, better means "totally hand made", or "more and/or unusual complications" or "unusual features" - all of which may be offered by some in-house movements, but not by any ETA.

It's the age-old car analogy - if you want a reliable, cheap runaround, you by a Ford. If you want something more exclusive, you buy a Ferrari. Sure the Ferrari is costly to buy and own, and may not be as practical or have the reliability, but that is of less importance to buyers compared to exclusivity and performance.

It entirely depends on what you want and what your own definition of "better" is.


Such beautiful logic to come out of such an ugly thread. Even the rose grows from-- Well. :lol:


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I still have my Gi Joe watch from when I was a kid, my watch is RAD ,and is fatigue colored. :michaelangelo:

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What is your feeling about Breitling watches? I believe they utilise an “in-house” movement, are Certified Chronometers, and have other unique characteristics.

If I had to describe my feelings toward Breiting in one word, it would be a resounding “Meh.” To be clear, most of their watches do NOT utilise in-house movements. In fact, the vast majority of Breitling use ETA/Valjoux movements, just like Franck Muller. They have released an impressive chronograph movement in the past year or two, but it has only been rolled out to one or two models, including the Chronomat -- the ugliest watch they make. So, if you want to spend $8,000 (roughly the same as you would on the Rolex Daytona!) on an ugly Breitling, then sure, you can get one with an in-house movement. I will say, even though it uses an ETA movement, I have nothing but love for Breitling’s Navitimer. That, dear reader, is the Breitling you want.

http://au.askmen.com/fashion/mens-watch ... -snob.html


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I still have my Gi Joe watch from when I was a kid, my watch is RAD ,and is fatigue colored. :michaelangelo:


Do you remember those Transformer watches? The watch would turn into a robot. Pretty awesome.

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I want to read Alan's posts.

Why were they edited? :cry:

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F14D_Tomcat wrote:
I want to read Alan's posts.

Why were they edited? :cry:

Alan edited them himself (not Roff, Admin or I) so I guess he just changed his mind about his post.

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