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 Post subject: Boxes/Papers...again ;-)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:34 am 
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I read the entire thread from 2009 about boxes and papers for Breitlings and can see the arguement from both sides. I surely would feel better getting all the bits and pieces that originally came with the watch, but obviously it is best to make sure the watch is real versus jumping in just because all the paper work is there. I am really digging the idea of a coral faced watch, but also realize they will probably come up from time to time so no need to rush. I'd guess if you are buying with the intention of selling/trading down the road the papers might be more important than if your long term plan is the keep the watch. I'd also guess that many buy a watch planning to keep it, but end up letting it go down the road as there is most likely always going to be something new you are after.

So give me your thoughts on this watch. Seller has 100% positive feedback, looks like lots of watch deals. States that papers were lost in move...but with all those watches sold he/she seems more like a dealer than the original owner of the watch so that gives me a bit of pause. Why not just say you don't have them and leave it at that? 7 day return policy but not so great pix. Help a new guy out would you buy with no concern, be cautious of this one or run like he!! the other way?

Finally any concern for US buyers buying from Canada? Are any any sort of taxes/duties to consider or can they just be dropped in the mail show up at my door.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0639148113


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Seems like a trustworthy seller, but would want more info on service history as the watch (or at least the bracelet) is more than 12 years old. That will impact whether the price is reasonable or not.

Not sure that I believe the story either given the number of sales that he has made, although dealers can own watches too!

Can't advise on US import duty, you'll need a US member or check with US Customs.


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FYI,
As Roff eluded, A17040 is in the 95-98 year range, has mineral crystal (not sapphire), 41.5mm dia. and is not COSC. Just adding info., may or may not be of interest.

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Kodiak wrote:
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As Roff eluded, A17040 is in the 95-98 year range, has mineral crystal (not sapphire), 41.5mm dia. and is not COSC. Just adding info., may or may not be of interest.


Ah, no "3" so no SOSC, right? See I am learning. Thanks! :)

Having looked at several of the SO with Coral dials online I am liking the ones, for lack of a better vocabulary, that have the numbers all filed in over the ones with just the outline of the numbers. I thought the SO was a 42mm dial are you saying that the earlier years like this auction are smaller (obviously 41.5 is smaller than 42 if I am correct that some are 42). Seems like SuperOcean has been around for a long time and spawned my variants like Professional, SteefFish, Heritage, Abyss, etc. Can you guys point me to any definitive guide to colors, sizes, years and the like. I seem to remember finding one a few weeks back when I was researching the difference between SO and SOSF, but can't seem to find it again. My google skills are lacking today. Model numbers seem to be the real indication not years it seems. Is that because they don't necessarily change year to year but stay more or less the same for a few then get a facelift/update?

Latest wrinkle is that the yellow dial is really starting to grow on me as well. Damn this new obsession...I'm going to have to learn how to print money. 8)


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All of the models are linked in the Aeromarine page of this site - http://www.breitlingsource.com/models/aeromarine.html


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Roffensian wrote:
All of the models are linked in the Aeromarine page of this site - http://www.breitlingsource.com/models/aeromarine.html


Very cool, thanks! Looks like I should poke around the BSource site more rather than just reading the forums. :oops:

So a quick look tells me I should be seeking out a 2003-2008 model with a reference number of a17360, correct? Since:

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In 2009, the dial was changed to have outlined numbers on all but 12,9 and 6 positions and the words SuperOcean in red.


Any idea when the coral dial went away? The catalog my AD gave me (believe it is 2010) shows no coral dials for any of the Areomarine watches. And the pages with SuperOcean (p146-149) show a watch that looks like what BreitlingSource calls a SuperOcean II however, the catalog makes no mention of the II (2) just says SuperOcean, but for sure they look like this

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rplace wrote:
Roffensian wrote:
All of the models are linked in the Aeromarine page of this site - http://www.breitlingsource.com/models/aeromarine.html


Very cool, thanks! Looks like I should poke around the BSource site more rather than just reading the forums. :oops:

So a quick look tells me I should be seeking out a 2003-2008 model with a reference number of a17360, correct? Since:

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In 2009, the dial was changed to have outlined numbers on all but 12,9 and 6 positions and the words SuperOcean in red.


Any idea when the coral dial went away? The catalog my AD gave me (believe it is 2010) shows no coral dials for any of the Areomarine watches. And the pages with SuperOcean (p146-149) show a watch that looks like what BreitlingSource calls a SuperOcean II however, the catalog makes no mention of the II (2) just says SuperOcean, but for sure they look like this

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The regular SuperOcean was replaced by the SuperOcean II / SuperOcean Abyss at Basel last year. From memory the coral dial was available until the end of the SuperOcean's life.


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Coral was available for the Superocean in the 2009 Catalog.


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Roffensian wrote:
The regular SuperOcean was replaced by the SuperOcean II / SuperOcean Abyss at Basel last year. From memory the coral dial was available until the end of the SuperOcean's life.


Not trying to be argumentative in the least, but neither my catalog or the Breitling site says anything about at II (2) after the SuperOcean, just plain SuperOcean. For me being new to all this is adds to the confusion. :?

The pre 2003, 2003 on, professional all look quite the same. But this new (2010 I believe) model is completely different looking.

Am I missing the II or Abyss designation anywhere here?
http://www.breitling.com/en/index.php#/ ... uperocean/

Thanks for your patience and helping me get all this straight in my head. I could have easily seen myself contemplating the purchase of the watch in my first post as is seemed like a good deal. I have seen several of the other coral faced SO for much more money. Obviously this one is a bit older and I really appreciate you pointing this out.

Seems to be some good info here as well.
http://donindiano.lanetcie.com/watches/ ... uperocean/

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The SOP was presented with 2 dial options: black or yellow—the latter being somewhat rarer. Yellow is said to be one of the most legible colors into the water.

Visually, there are some differences to tell them apart:

The SuperOcean Professional uses the same case as the SuperOcean, but brushed, and with an added helium escape valve. Later SuperOceans kept the valve.
It also uses a quite similar dial, but the scale with 100ths of hour (from the SOs from the same period) is replaced by little baton-shaped phosphorescent hour markers. Later SuperOceans kept that design.
Hands are matt for the SOP, and polished for the SO.
The applied 18k solid logo (instead of painted on the early SuperOceans' dials). Later SuperOceans kept that feature.
The word Professional on the dial.
The dial is also matte, whereas the SO gets a glossy black.
There are no indices between the hour numerals.
The reference numbers are different (ends with 45 for the SOP, 40 or 60 for the SO)


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rplace wrote:
So a quick look tells me I should be seeking out a 2003-2008 model with a reference number of a17360, correct? Since:

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In 2009, the dial was changed to have outlined numbers on all but 12,9 and 6 positions and the words SuperOcean in red.


Any idea when the coral dial went away? The catalog my AD gave me (believe it is 2010) shows no coral dials for any of the Areomarine watches.

If you want the 42 mm dial, then yes, 2003 -2008 yrs. are what you want. There was a model A17345, which is still 41.5mm but will have sapphire and COSC (confused yet?). They also changed the seconds hand from 'square' pointer to 'arrow' pointer in 2007 (95-06 have square).

The model numbers can stay the same for a few years as you said, usually will take a dial/case/spec. modification for that to change, thus some of the variations of the SOs (case size change, mineral to sapphire crystal, COSC spec., etc.)

The last year of the coral dial your looking for was 2008 (2009 came out with 'outlined' arabics). I believe the yellow dial was discontinued earlier, 2005 ??, except for the 2009 version.

The 2010 year model is commonly referred to as SO Abyss.

Good luck, just takes patience sometimes and something just what your looking for will pop up. I know it's hard, but your a big boy now, ha! :lol:

(p.s. - you're doing it right. When you find something interesting, post on here and lots of expertise here to help you sort it out.)

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Good luck, just takes patience sometimes and something just what your looking for will pop up. I know it's hard, but your a big boy now, ha! :lol:


Yea, what fun would it be if it was easy and all made sense. Can't you just give me you SO Coral? Then none of the rest here would have the deal my my newbie growing pains. This is assuming yours has the "right" numbers on it :P

Not sure I really even care if it is 41.5 or 42. Having a COSC and saphire crystal would be nice too...but perhaps if it is just my "beach" watch on a rubber strap less money and older could be nice. So what-da-ya-think, spend less on the coral non-3 version and save my "real" money for a Avenger Code Yellow. I really dig that watch, but it would have me living in the garage if it showed up any time soon. :twisted:

Man, I can already feel my bicycles getting pissed at my neglect.


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Good luck, just takes patience sometimes and something just what your looking for will pop up. I know it's hard, but your a big boy now, ha! :lol:


Yea, what fun would it be if it was easy and all made sense. Can't you just give me you SO Coral? Then none of the rest here would have the deal my my newbie growing pains. This is assuming yours has the "right" numbers on it :P

Not sure I really even care if it is 41.5 or 42. Having a COSC and saphire crystal would be nice too...but perhaps if it is just my "beach" watch on a rubber strap less money and older could be nice. So what-da-ya-think, spend less on the coral non-3 version and save my "real" money for a Avenger Code Yellow. I really dig that watch, but it would have me living in the garage if it showed up any time soon. :twisted:

Man, I can already feel my bicycles getting pissed at my neglect.

Mine is a 2006 model, the last year of the square seconds hand, which I really wanted. I got lucky and saw it at an AD while traveling. NOS, so still got a 2 year Breitling warranty.

The non-COSC or 41.5mm dial wouldn't be a deal stopper for me if it is running well. I would ask if it has been serviced at all and when. A service will run you ~$500.

I'm waiting for the summer to wear mine, my lake/water watch but if I get a crazy inclination and decide to sell it, I'll let you know.

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