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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:16 pm 
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The Rolex Forum is looking for more brown nosers...why don't you go their for a while. If the GMT did not have the Rolex on the face, people would probably ridicule it and make fun of it


You have absolutely nothing of value to add and have proven that in your posts so far on this thread. You've displayed your hatred for Rolex, we get it already.

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mfserge wrote:
Read my posts on this thread if you want something substantial. I've articulated my opinion already, if you take the time to read all of the posts you will see hat.

I did read your earlier posts in this thread, and I appreciate their content. I do feel you crossed a line when simply dismissing my point of view as "silly." I think you could have made your point without resorting to that sort of condescension. I'm relatively new here, and I am actively trying to learn while still offering my opinions, when appropriate, based on my observations. I respect the insights of those who have more experience than I do, but not when they feel the need to be openly dismissive of others. Having said that, I have no desire to turn this into an ongoing battle. I apologize to the OP for hijacking his thread, and will let the matter drop. We can just agree to disagree.


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Read my posts on this thread if you want something substantial. I've articulated my opinion already, if you take the time to read all of the posts you will see hat.

I did read your earlier posts in this thread, and I appreciate their content. I do feel you crossed a line when simply dismissing my point of view as "silly." I think you could have made your point without resorting to that sort of condescension. I'm relatively new here, and I am actively trying to learn while still offering my opinions, when appropriate, based on my observations. I respect the insights of those who have more experience than I do, but not when they feel the need to be openly dismissive of others. Having said that, I have no desire to turn this into an ongoing battle. I apologize to the OP for hijacking his thread, and will let the matter drop. We can just agree to disagree.



Last comment..I asked you if you were equating not having a chrono to being a lesser quality watch...and if so then yes thats a silly statement because its not even remotely true. It wasn't meant to be condescending or dismissive. I'm not a Rolex lover, I only own one while vie owned 12 Breitlings....but i appreciate Rolex manufacturing capabilities which are second to NONE and I appreciate the fact that they make every single component in house; plates, bridges, screws, hairspring, case, bracelet, clasp, and even the oil used to lubricate the movements. They make everything while most other in house manufactures rely on suppliers to at least provide some parts of the watch. Something has to be said for a company that has their own foundry and make their own parts. They're not the most aesthetically pleasing watches, and they apparently treat their ADs like crap, but there is no denying their innovativeness.

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I personally can't stand any watch with a magnifying date bubble (I have an irrational but intense hated of them, aesthetically, which rules out most Rolexes for me), so of these, the BB would be my pick.


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Reminds me of bi-focals. Can't stand it. And the new lettering like the DSSD, wouldn't be on my wrist even if it was free.

Same can be said about the god-awful square seconds hands. Can't stand it.

Call me shallow, but half the appeal to me is how the piece looks.


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mfserge wrote:
They're not the most aesthetically pleasing watches, and they apparently treat their ADs like crap, but there is no denying their innovativeness.

Fair enough. I can respect your preferences there. I like the new Submariner. I honestly was put off by the bracelet on the older model. Seems like Rolex was charging an awful lot for a watch that had a bracelet with hollow inner links and a cheap clasp. But I think they've helped to shore that up with the latest design. It's certainly a watch I considered more than once.


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Last comment..I asked you if you were equating not having a chrono to being a lesser quality watch...and if so then yes thats a silly statement because its not even remotely true.

It was a bad choice of words on my part, although I will point out that I said "less watch," not "lesser quality watch." By that, I simply meant that the GMT offers fewer complications than the Blackbird. Absent some other factors that would warrant the higher price, it would seem reasonable to expect a comparable watch with more complications to cost more than one with fewer complications. But you've pointed out some of the things that makes a Rolex worth more to you than another watch of a comparable brand, which I understand.

Edit: OK, now I get it. You thought I might have been saying that a watch without a chronograph is a lesser quality watch than one that does have a chronograph. Yeah, if I'd said that, that definitely would have been silly. I wasn't saying that. I meant "less" as in fewer complications - speaking idiomatically - but I wasn't referring to quality at all. Like I said, bad choice of words, because it implies something I didn't really mean. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


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BB for me.

Rolex, I guess, only beats Breitling in terms of use of inhouse movement and resale value. In terms of bracelet, case, build quality, Breitling is as good as, if not better than Rolex.

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Edit: OK, now I get it. You thought I might have been saying that a watch without a chronograph is a lesser quality watch than one that does have a chronograph. Yeah, if I'd said that, that definitely would have been silly. I wasn't saying that. I meant "less" as in fewer complications - speaking idiomatically - but I wasn't referring to quality at all. Like I said, bad choice of words, because it implies something I didn't really mean. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


Yes..I took it as you were saying that it was a lesser quality watch since it lacked a chrono but you're forgetting that the GMT is a GMT with a SECOND TIME ZONE Complication.

You're right, the previous Subs and GMTs had a poorly designed bracelet and clasp but the new version is outstanding, especially on the SDDS. I previously owned two of the new Blackbirds and currently own the GMT and I prefer the GMT. The ceramic bezel with actual PLATINUM numbers look amazing in the sunlight, the bracelet is beautifully done with a polished and brushed finish, and the GMT complication is a very useful feature. I loved the facet links on the Blackbird and the big date window is awesome...but I'd take my GMT over my two Blackbirds anyday.

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mfserge wrote:
Yes..I took it as you were saying that it was a lesser quality watch since it lacked a chrono but you're forgetting that the GMT is a GMT with a SECOND TIME ZONE Complication.

I didn't forget. The way I see it, a chronograph, small seconds and big date are three additional complications, whereas a GMT function is only one. That's why, in my initial comparison, I brought up the Submariner, which has no additional complications. :wink:


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mfserge wrote:
...but I'd take my GMT over my two Blackbirds anyday.


I'll take one Serge, throw it in that box headed my way! :lol:

When I think of Rolex, I think of Snoop Dog bragging about wearing one and Kanye saying he has one because he's "young, rich and tasteless."

Wonder if they are officially endorsed Rolex Ambasadors...? Strange how Rolex is perceived by the public vs those who are knowledgeable fans of the brand.

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mfserge wrote:
...but I'd take my GMT over my two Blackbirds anyday.


I'll take one Serge, throw it in that box headed my way! :lol:


:uplaugh: :uplaugh: Sorry bud...there are two members on here who are totally enjoying them! There's no doubt I will get another Blackbird one day...when an in house model is released. The one problem I had with the BBs were that the lume on the hour markers would always appear green outside, it really bugged the %*#) out of me.

JacksonStone- I don't think I'd consider the big date window a 'complication' I love that feature of the watch but I don't think it's really a complication.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but I never liked Rolex until the GMTIIc came out. I have a 8" wrist, and always preferred at least a 42mm watch, more like 44mm. But the GMT "super case" with maxi dial just wears bigger. I also was not a fan of the cyclops date thing until recently. I'll be 48 soon and just started wearing reading glasses so I appreciate the cyclops now more than ever. :) Another added benny is the extra half-link extension on-the-fly. On a humid day you get that added comfort in a snap.

I actually use the GMT function when traveling, and just LOVE that ceramic bezel. Of course they are both completely different watches with completely different functions. But as Serge pointed out, the prices are similar, and you have to take in to consideration the issues with AD's, etc. I like that they hold their value a bit more. I still love Breitling and a lot of the new models (with DB) and it's healthy to hear the different perspectives.

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I just got a BBB BlackBirdBoner!

I'm with you Serge, the day an in-house Blackbird comes out with an inhouse, brushed one will be mine even if it's on the credit card.


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I just got a BBB BlackBirdBoner!

Who needs Viagra when you've got Blackbird lust?


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Kanye saying he has one because he's "young, rich and tasteless."


Great new album by the way. Might be the best of the year in my eyes


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