The Breitling Watch Source Forums

Breitling Watch Information Forums, Navitimer, Chronomat
 
It is currently Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:21 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: What's This/Is It Real?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:55 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:30 am
Posts: 1126
Likes: 32 posts
Liked in: 12 posts
Location: Central Coast, NSW
Any ideas what this is and whether it's genuine?

Image

Stef

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:57 am 
Offline
Breitling Connoisseur
Breitling Connoisseur

Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:52 pm
Posts: 609
Likes: 7 posts
Liked in: 0 post
Hi,probably no help at all,the only watch i can find anything like it is the U.N,similar hand set and single pusher in the crown,the only Breitling I can find, with a very similar dial,has pushers at 2+4,same sweep second hand,but no other likeness.Cheers.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:29 am 
Offline
Breitling Fanatic
Breitling Fanatic

Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:21 am
Posts: 324
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Location: UK
Quote:
Any ideas what this is and whether it's genuine?


Almost certainly not. Obviously we would need to see more of it, but the most obvious giveaway is that Breitling would not have a wristwatch chronograph where there wasn't a separate pusher to activate the chronograph. Since that was there major selling point from 1915 onwards, all of the catalogues I've seen show this feature on the wristwatches of this period.

The Breitling to my eye looks like it's been very crudely applied to a no name enamel dial, if this was real we would expect it to have no name on the dial and if it was truly a Breitling of this age, pre-1930, I would expect it to be marked, if at all, Montbrillant maybe on the case or the movement. (check out the example I posted in the previous post "grail of grails")

It could either be a complete franken of parts, or a re-cased pocket watch, but of course let me reserve judgement until we could see more pictures.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:43 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:30 am
Posts: 1126
Likes: 32 posts
Liked in: 12 posts
Location: Central Coast, NSW
Here's a few more photos. One thing that caught my eye was the Breitling stamp on the movement, it's not very straight!

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Stef

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:58 am 
Offline
Contributing Moderator
Contributing Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:09 am
Posts: 36521
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 485 posts
Location: Ontario, Canada
Accurate watch from the period wouldn't have a stamp on the bridge anyway. Don't recognise the caseback markings, and of course a Breitling single pusher wouldn't be on the crown (they split the reset from the single pusher to the crown in 1923 but then it became a two pusher).

Dial is just ugly.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:13 am 
Offline
Breitling Fanatic
Breitling Fanatic

Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:21 am
Posts: 324
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Location: UK
Roff's right of course.

If we wanted to be more picky we could pick up on the fact that Breitling Watch Corp didn't come into existence until the Forties I believe and if this was the case the movement would be stamped BOW or WOG to denote an imported movement.

Quote:
they split the reset from the single pusher to the crown in 1923


I think this was slightly earlier. 1915 for separate single pusher, early thirties for twin pushers.

BTW Stefan, look forward to seeing your chronomatic. How was dealing with Breitling, a good experience?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:16 am 
Offline
Contributing Moderator
Contributing Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:09 am
Posts: 36521
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 485 posts
Location: Ontario, Canada
Yaffle wrote:
I think this was slightly earlier. 1915 for separate single pusher, early thirties for twin pushers.



Don't you go arguing with me Mr. Yaffle - I am always right and don't you forget it :wink: :lol:

If memory serves (and it may not):

1915 - single pusher
1923 - two pushers (separate reset) with second pusher in the crown
1934 - two pushers in 'traditional' locations


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:28 am 
Offline
Breitling Fanatic
Breitling Fanatic

Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:21 am
Posts: 324
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Location: UK
Quote:
I am always right and don't you forget it :wink: :lol:


Sorry a temporary memory lapse Roff.

I didn't know they split the reset to the crown in the 1920's. Never seen that feature before.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:09 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:30 am
Posts: 1126
Likes: 32 posts
Liked in: 12 posts
Location: Central Coast, NSW
Yaffle wrote:
Roff's right of course.

If we wanted to be more picky we could pick up on the fact that Breitling Watch Corp didn't come into existence until the Forties I believe and if this was the case the movement would be stamped BOW or WOG to denote an imported movement.

Quote:
they split the reset from the single pusher to the crown in 1923


I think this was slightly earlier. 1915 for separate single pusher, early thirties for twin pushers.

BTW Stefan, look forward to seeing your chronomatic. How was dealing with Breitling, a good experience?


Thanks guys, didn't think it looked right somehow, least of all the pusher being integrated with the crown, never seen that on a Breitling before. It's for sale on Ebay, it'll be interesting to see what it goes for.

Yaffle wrote:
BTW Stefan, look forward to seeing your chronomatic. How was dealing with Breitling, a good experience?


Yes, hopefully the Chronomatic will be back with me in the next 7-10 days. Dealing with Breitling UK was as pain free as always. I was a little optimistic as to what parts they would have but the plexi and the outer bezel are being replaced so it should come back almost as new and see me right for another 41 years or so!

As soon as I get it back I'll post up the photos. The only thing I'm not looking forward to is the bill, but unfortunately here in the UK we're a bit limited on where we can get things done, and I'm always a firm believer that you get what you pay for!

My Olympus came back from BUK like a brand new watch so I'm very pleased with them indeed. They seem to be as anal about time keeping preciseness as I do because everyone I've sent back for overhaul or warranty has come back keeping remarkeable time.

Stef

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:41 am 
Offline
Breitling Enthusiast
Breitling Enthusiast

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:33 pm
Posts: 56
Likes: 2 posts
Liked in: 0 post
Location: Germany
Roffensian wrote:
Dial is just ugly.

Roff, it is not only ugly, it is IMHO also the proof for a Frankenstein watch.

The "KILOMETRS A L.HEURE" should have rung a thousand bells.

Cheers
Chris


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:53 am 
Offline
Contributing Moderator
Contributing Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:09 am
Posts: 36521
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 485 posts
Location: Ontario, Canada
Chris K wrote:
Roffensian wrote:
Dial is just ugly.

Roff, it is not only ugly, it is IMHO also the proof for a Frankenstein watch.

The "KILOMETRS A L.HEURE" should have rung a thousand bells.

Cheers
Chris



Well of course, I didn't mean that it was ugly and real, there is very little (if anything) right about any of it.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
 


Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group