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That's fine if you want to leave, but I'm still going to respond to this. Tell me, what is the difference between a wealthy person buying their child a $10,000 gift, someone of modest means buying their child a $100 gift, and someone of limited means buying their child a $10 gift? As you reference yourself as an example, you don't seem to have a problem with the concepts of private property, gifts and so forth in general; you just have a problem with the magnitude of certain gifts. That doesn't make any sense. $100 is months of wages in some areas of the world. People with varying means spending according to those means shouldn't present a problem.

Unless your point is that everyone is superficial and materialistic, which makes the statement redundant. That's like me saying "All of the people in the United States are human."

On the other hand, let's assume I accept your example exactly as you intend it. You have identified one materialistic and superficial person in America. See my statements about empiricism made to Sharkman; an example of a single person is of very limited use when making broad statements.

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Wow. I think we've already talked about everything. I ALREADY OWN A BRAND NEW REAL NAVITIMER, and it was not a thread for just buying a fake watch to look just like your real one, but perhaps you should read the first page. Sorry. Do I need to scan my warranty booklet?

I'm not reading more because its becoming more ridiculous. This is why I asked on page 1 to have this thread to be closed because its gotten worse. So.. relax..

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Montbrillant Datora

OK this is my last post on this thread. 95 people truly believe happiness comes from your checking account balance and 5 people believe the balance is irrelevant except for the ability to meet the essentials - food, water, shelter. Statisitcs are irrelevant. We can make value judgments - I do it every day. I meet someone and think - he has something I want. Not his car, his trophy wife, his pecs, his square footage, or his man jewelry. The intangibles that truly define a person - honesty, humility, tolerance, gratitude, patience, compassion, service to others. We are talking about value judgments.

Applying a statistical analysis (means, averages, norms, standard deviations) to core values will always result in a dumbing down of what we individually and as a society aspire to. We end up with the lowest common denominator.

OK - it's only watches for me form here on. This makes my brain cramp.

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SHARKMAN

I agree. Its really ridiculous now.

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Montbrillant Datora

I read your comments on page 1 and I understand what your saying about your travels. My point was simply that i disagree with the purchasing of a fake watch...regardless as to the reason why. When i travel, i wear my most expensive Breitling....because no one knows what it is. If it's my day to get jacked then I'm going to get jacked whether I'm wearing a gshock or a Breitling.

The thread hasn't gotten worse, it has inspired a totally different debate.

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"I don't own any watches, I just lease them"

If you want to leave, that's fine, but I'm still going to respond to this, as I still have numerous unanswered questions.



I don't understand what you're saying here. You give a statistic, then claim statistics are irrelevant. I think one of these contradictory statements was supposed to be sarcastic, but I don't know which one.



I think you misunderstood what I said here:



I'm not talking about "values" here as you mean them, as in beliefs, principles and so forth. I mean "a judgement of value," that is, how you determine whether one culture has more of something than another culture.

Anyway, what you've written here is interesting, but I don't see how it even attempts to tackle the questions I asked:



And there's this, which really isn't important...



...but I want to know what you're talking about.

Unrelated:


I hope you're using the term "debate" loosely. This has been me asking you and Sharkman questions, and the two of you saying you don't want to discuss it. That's hardly a debate.

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LOL. I would normally be excited for a little debate, but I'm filled up with chemotherapy in my system, so its difficult now, for a while.

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Montbrillant Datora

OK guys, as stimulating as this cultural analysis discussion is, it's not remotely related to the original point, so can we either get back to the topic, or start a new thread in the Off Topic section to discuss the relative merits of different world cultures.

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Driver8

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I kind of think my thread would be better moved to OT. I'm already noticed my thread to make me look bad. <---

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Montbrillant Datora

Well as it's vaguely still watch related I've moved it into the General Watch section instead.

Just one thing minor though, OsearyDrakoulias - in future would you mind not re-editing your first opening post so much, as it kind of renders the rest of the thread a bit redundant as all the replies now relate to a question that isn't there anymore. Thanks!

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Driver8

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Fakes are for fakes, end of story.

A year ago, I was wearing a $200 watch. I wanted nothing more than a nice Breitling or PAM. Fast forward to today - I have a gorgeous S.A., but I'm still the same person I was a year ago. What I wear on my wrist, on my feet, etc do not make me who I am (and they never will).

Exactly!!!!! That's as it should be.

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SHARKMAN

I read this thread from beginning to end. It has gone in a few different directions and I believe it has not only been enlightening and educational, but it has provided a variety of viewpoints on several outlooks from our community members.

I've given this a lot of thought and pondered over a cigar and some fine wine in hopes of coming up with a reply that would be on par with what has been expressed thus far.

Ahem.

I prefer dark chocolate over milk chocolate.

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Have you lost your Mind?!?

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SHARKMAN

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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