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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Now if you will excuse me I have to dye my hair, shave my chest, pop some viagra, pump up my calf implants, and go get "real." :D


You forgot to mention "polish my Harley". :poke:

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Now if you will excuse me I have to dye my hair, shave my chest, pop some viagra, pump up my calf implants, and go get "real." :D


You forgot to mention "polish my Harley". :poke:

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k7baixo wrote:
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Now if you will excuse me I have to dye my hair, shave my chest, pop some viagra, pump up my calf implants, and go get "real." :D


You forgot to mention "polish my Harley". :poke:

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I thought it was implied.

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No regrets here though. It introduced me to something I inititally pronounced "Breetling." I was never a fellow who lusted over expensive watches - never gave them a thought. And as I've written here before, after I learned what many unscrupulous poeple were doing with these fakes, I smashed mine with a hammer to take it out of circulation. But before that I took it to my AD and educated them on just how good some fakes were - they were shocked; had no idea.



"Someday many years form now when you talk about this, and you will, be gentle." ~Tennessee Williams


Once a customer came into my pharmacy with a breitling for bentley. It looked real from far away but as I came closer it looked really fake. It was easy to spot since I have a real breitling for bentley motors t. The funny thing is that he pretended that it was real even thought we were comparing it to my breitling. The best was that he called it a breitlinK.

I recently read an article on Yahoo talking about the psychology of wearing replicas. Those people tented to lie and cheat more and value them selves less than people that wore the real item.

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Once a customer came into my pharmacy with a breitling for bentley. It looked real from far away but as I came closer it looked really fake. It was easy to spot since I have a real breitling for bentley motors t. The funny thing is that he pretended that it was real even thought we were comparing it to my breitling. The best was that he called it a breitlinK.


Hehe, funny stuff. I'ver never actually had anyone lie about wearing a fake, at least not in person. I had a colleague come to me a while back asking if a watch he got was real. It was one of those super-cheap Chinese fakes, where one chrono button did nothing, and the other advanced the date. I pointed all this out to him, and he was appreciative.

I had a kid on a gaming site claim he had a Breitling for Bentley after I posted a picture of one of my watches. I asked him which model he had, so which he responded "Breitling for Bentley." I asked him which Breitling for Bentley and suggested he post some pictures. Then he vanished from the thread. :roll:

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Those people tented to lie and cheat more and value them selves less than people that wore the real item.


And this surprises you because.................?? The fact is we (only referring to the US-no real experience elsewhere) live in a materialistic and superficial culture. Just watch some TV. There are a shit load of people who "value themselves" based upon based on the "stuff" they have or don't have. So there are loads of people who falsely believe their self worth is tied to the high price tag of their stuff. Makes sense that there are even more people who falsely de-value themselves based upon the small price tag attached to their meager stuff.

Come on, it is an image driven society lead to a large degree by Madison Avenue. (Sorry marketing guys). From tummy tucks to 18K Bentley motors.

I'm not saying it's right or that most or even any here ascribe to that view. But let's have some realistic perspective. It ain't about watches - real or fake. It's about the blending and confusion of self-worth with the image of external "stuff."

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RXPete wrote:
sharkman wrote:

No regrets here though. It introduced me to something I inititally pronounced "Breetling." I was never a fellow who lusted over expensive watches - never gave them a thought. And as I've written here before, after I learned what many unscrupulous poeple were doing with these fakes, I smashed mine with a hammer to take it out of circulation. But before that I took it to my AD and educated them on just how good some fakes were - they were shocked; had no idea.



"Someday many years form now when you talk about this, and you will, be gentle." ~Tennessee Williams


Once a customer came into my pharmacy with a breitling for bentley. It looked real from far away but as I came closer it looked really fake. It was easy to spot since I have a real breitling for bentley motors t. The funny thing is that he pretended that it was real even thought we were comparing it to my breitling. The best was that he called it a breitlinK.

I recently read an article on Yahoo talking about the psychology of wearing replicas. Those people tented to lie and cheat more and value them selves less than people that wore the real item.


Well.. the most fake Navitimers that I've seen are about 52mm size, and the crystal (looked like plastic and wavey). One time... a guy that was really excited about his fake breitling, so I just said "Oh.. nice breitling". I think he figured what I meant. ;)

Also... I hope the OP for the thread about 10 posts above mine who was looking for getting a rep watch if he noticed my thread first because it doesnt nearly mean buying a rep. :)

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The fact is we (only referring to the US-no real experience elsewhere) live in a materialistic and superficial culture.


If you only have an experience with one culture, how do you know it's materialistic and superficial? What's your basis for comparison?

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The fact is we (only referring to the US-no real experience elsewhere) live in a materialistic and superficial culture.


If you only have an experience with one culture, how do you know it's materialistic and superficial? What's your basis for comparison?

You don't need a degree in comparative cultures to understand superficiality or much else. All you need is a baseline of what people with inner peace and genuine contentment value and act like within the pertinent culture.

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You don't need a degree in comparative cultures to understand superficiality or much else. All you need is a baseline of what people with inner peace and genuine contentment value and act like within the pertinent culture.


What identifies a person with inner peace and genuine contenment? How did you determine that most people do not possess these traits? More importantly, why are people who are variations from the norm considered a "baseline?"

Anyway, your methodology here would only provide you with reference points by which to compare people within a culture. It gives you no insight to make value judgements about one culture as compared to others. Perhaps all persons in another culture fit your bill of materialistic and superficial. The presence of even a few persons with "inner peace and genuine contenment" in our culture would thereby make our culture less materalistic than the norm. It might even be the least materialistic of all extant cultures. You don't seem to have examined any of this.

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Palantas wrote:
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You don't need a degree in comparative cultures to understand superficiality or much else. All you need is a baseline of what people with inner peace and genuine contentment value and act like within the pertinent culture.


What identifies a person with inner peace and genuine contenment? How did you determine that most people do not possess these traits? More importantly, why are people who are variations from the norm considered a "baseline?"

Anyway, your methodology here would only provide you with reference points by which to compare people within a culture. It gives you no insight to make value judgements about one culture as compared to others. Perhaps all persons in another culture fit your bill of materialistic and superficial. The presence of even a few persons with "inner peace and genuine contenment" in our culture would thereby make our culture less materalistic than the norm. It might even be the least materialistic of all extant cultures. You don't seem to have examined any of this.



Dude! You are thinking way too hard here. I didn't write a thesis nor do I intend to. I merely said I was limiting my comments about materialism and superficiality to the culture I know and have lived in for 53 years, thus excluding making judgments about cultures I know nothing about. It's really pretty simple - it is the difference between defining yourself by your possessions as opposed to simply having apprecaition and gratitude for the ability to have those possessions. Really very simple stuff.

Sorry if I struck a raw nerve.

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I know I'm tired and had a rough few days but WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?? We went from fake watches to Americans are superficial and materialistic.....which buy the way is totally accurate. Case In point...rich lady walked into my AD the other day to buy her 11 year old son a $9,000 Rolex because his friends have them. WHAT!?!?!?!? I had to beg for a $90 baseball bat when I was 11.

OP... No I don't think it's ever acceptable to purchase a known replica/fake. If you can't afford one then one should buy something In their price range until they can afford a higher quality time piece.

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You've explicitely analyzed and categorized a phenomenon, while openly admitting that you have only observed only a single sample of it, when there are numerous instances out there to study. Our modern, "materialistic" culture relies heavily on empiricism, so I don't think I have to point out the problems with this.

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It's really pretty simple - it is the difference between defining yourself by your possessions as opposed to simply having apprecaition and gratitude for the ability to have those possessions. Really very simple stuff.


I'm assuming the above was an answer to this question:
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What identifies a person with inner peace and genuine contenment?


Are you going to answer these?

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How did you determine that most people do not possess these traits? More importantly, why are people who are variations from the norm considered a "baseline?"


What makes you think you've struck a raw nerve?

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We went from fake watches to Americans are superficial and materialistic.....which buy the way is totally accurate.


Okay, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Sharkman. How did you determine this? Compared to what?

EDIT: I'll also point out, that if I take your statement exactly as written, you and Sharkman are saying different and mutually contradictory things. Sharkman said that American culture is superficial and materialistic. You said that Americans superficial and materialistic. Now, taken exactly as written, that logically means all Americans. Sharkman already stated that some persons in America are neither of these things, and have inner peace and contentment. These statements are obviously at odds.

Now, I can read between the lines here, and assume you mean "some Americans are superficial and materialistic." Your and his statements are no longer contradictory, but you are saying different things. You, I am inclined to agree with, whereas Sharkman I am not.

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Palantas wrote:
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We went from fake watches to Americans are superficial and materialistic.....which buy the way is totally accurate.


Okay, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Sharkman. How did you determine this? Compared to what?


I already gave an example, read above. I don't wish to engage further in this conversation.

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