Panerai 305 Vs. Super Avenger vs Omega Seamaster Ploprof

Roffensian · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:06 am

mrcheatle wrote:

Ok, so I think I amy have another contender here....what about the Omega SEAMASTER PLOPROF 1200 M???? Any experience anyone.
I believe this fits my needs as well.... Has both bracelets, large(r) face, rugged...etc...

If anyone has any comparison to the SA I would appreciate it!

Thank everyone!

Well now that's a different animal - PloProf all the way (and if you are serious Altair is selling his in the Buy / Sell / Trade section for a very good price).

mrcheatle · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:18 am

Roffensian wrote:

mrcheatle wrote:

Ok, so I think I amy have another contender here....what about the Omega SEAMASTER PLOPROF 1200 M???? Any experience anyone.
I believe this fits my needs as well.... Has both bracelets, large(r) face, rugged...etc...

If anyone has any comparison to the SA I would appreciate it!

Thank everyone!

Well now that's a different animal - PloProf all the way (and if you are serious Altair is selling his in the Buy / Sell / Trade section for a very good price).

Thanks Roff! Good to know!
In your opinion, why Ploprof over SA?

Roffensian · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:23 am

mrcheatle wrote:

In your opinion, why Ploprof over SA?

It's a far more unique piece, if you want 'presence' then it's got more than the SA, it has the history of the original PloProf behind it, and it's an inhouse movement with the coaxial escapement.

Driver8 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:35 am

Roffensian wrote:

mrcheatle wrote:

In your opinion, why Ploprof over SA?

It's a far more unique piece, if you want 'presence' then it's got more than the SA, it has the history of the original PloProf behind it, and it's an inhouse movement with the coaxial escapement.

I'd take the Ploprof over the SA in a heartbeat. (And I'd also take the Ploprof over the PAM 305 in a heartbeat too). In fact I'd take the Ploprof over quite a few watches out there.

mrcheatle · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:37 am

Yea never really been much or an Omega fan but this is exactly what I am looking far in relation to what I would be wearing the SA for.

ricardo · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:57 am

Hi MrCheatle,

I feel fairly qualified to offer my opinion here.

I have owned an SA, a PAM 312 (not Sub though) and the Plo Prof.

I sold the SA because it was too big and uncomfortable. I sold the 312 because I was offered the same money I paid for it after owning it for 6 months. I loved it but thought I could get another similar PAM one day. I still own the Plo Prof. in fact I will NEVER sell it. Please see my review here:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20112

I will never sell it because it is so unique. It is beautifully made with high end materials and an in-house co-axial movement. The attention to detail is second to none. It has the details and fit and finish of a high end dress watch and yet it is a 1200m utilitarian tool watch. I also like the way it divides opinions because most people think it is ugly. Yet I think the aesthetics and wonderful and charming.

Go for the Plo Prof. You will not be dissapointed.

Driver8 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:43 am

ricardo wrote:

Hi MrCheatle,

I feel fairly qualified to offer my opinion here.

I have owned an SA, a PAM 312 (not Sub though) and the Plo Prof.

I sold the SA because it was too big and uncomfortable. I sold the 312 because I was offered the same money I paid for it after owning it for 6 months. I loved it but thought I could get another similar PAM one day. I still own the Plo Prof. in fact I will NEVER sell it. Please see my review here:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20112

I will never sell it because it is so unique. It is beautifully made with high end materials and an in-house co-axial movement. The attention to detail is second to none. It has the details and fit and finish of a high end dress watch and yet it is a 1200m utilitarian tool watch. I also like the way it divides opinions because most people think it is ugly. Yet I think the aesthetics and wonderful and charming.

Go for the Plo Prof. You will not be dissapointed.

As eloquently put as ever, Ricardo. :thumbsup:

mrcheatle · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:41 am

Decision decisions.... I spoke to a friend of mine who is quite knowledgeable with watches and he voiced his opinion to me saying something like..."I refuse to buy an Omega simple because it is one of those manufactures thats brand is over advertised and everyone has one" (or something like that) I understand that this is his opinion and the PloProf is above and beyond any OTHER Omega. But does anyone else feel this way?

It is kinda like how I would never buy a Tag... I had friends at 16 with Tags (I know :shock:

) But its true and due to that I just think that anyone wheres them and I would just want something more unique. I understand that you don't see many Ploprofs on the street but it's still an Omega.

I'm in a pickle because I see what B-Source people are saying and also what my buddy is saying as well. I THINK, something more exclusive may be the way I want to go...even though the Ploprof is a cool f***ing watch!

Please feel free to voice your opinions as I'm sure this thread is about to get blown up after this one. lol

M

Roffensian · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:51 am

mrcheatle wrote:

Decision decisions.... I spoke to a friend of mine who is quite knowledgeable with watches and he voiced his opinion to me saying something like..."I refuse to buy an Omega simple because it is one of those manufactures thats brand is over advertised and everyone has one" (or something like that) I understand that this is his opinion and the PloProf is above and beyond any OTHER Omega. But does anyone else feel this way?

It is kinda like how I would never buy a Tag... I had friends at 16 with Tags (I know :shock:

) But its true and due to that I just think that anyone wheres them and I would just want something more unique. I understand that you don't see many Ploprofs on the street but it's still an Omega.

I'm in a pickle because I see what B-Source people are saying and also what my buddy is saying as well. I THINK, something more exclusive may be the way I want to go...even though the Ploprof is a cool f***ing watch!

Please feel free to voice your opinions as I'm sure this thread is about to get blown up after this one. lol

M

Omega does advertise heavily, but there is real substance there. The PloProf is a throwback watch that has nothing to do with mass marketing, and the movement is totally unique - changing the escapement after a few hundred years of doing it the same way is a big deal for someone like me who puts so much weight into the movement.

It's also a visual standout - it's nothing like anything else out there. At the end of the day, you have to be the one comfortable with it, but to me - who cares what name is on the dial if it makes you feel good wearing it - and this from a self confessed watch snob (there is no comparison between Tag and Omega in my opinion).

mrcheatle · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:04 am

I agree with your statement 100%.... we will have to wait and see I guess. I do have a few months but I just wanted to get an early start on my research! It is going to be one of those situations were I have to have all my choices in front of me and decide I wold imagine.

BTW are IWC (Aquatimer 2000) In-house movements?

mrcheatle · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:06 am

roman4405 wrote:

mrcheatle wrote:

As of right now... the SA fits my every need for what I would want out of my 2nd watch. But when I ran across the PAM 305 I just couldn't resist. Are they as light in weight as I here they are? I am disappointed to hear this! I like to feel the money on my wrist if you know what I mean. This is why I never took the Rolex route! after I put the Breitling on, the Rolex just felt insignificant and like I just won it out of a Cracker Jack Box or something. :uplaugh:

The one down fall to the 305 for me though is I wish it also came with a bracelet. That is why I still like the SA because of its versatility!

PS: I am 6'3" 200lbs and have probably the largest hands in the world lol (played ball in college) I tried a SA on at a wedding the other day that a gentlemen was wearing and (size wise) felt/looked ok!

It sounds like you could pull off the SA pretty well, I'm only 5'8", and even though my wrists are a little bigger I have smaller hands, shut-up, and the SA just didn't fit me well. It really seems that you like the SA and it would probably make sense to go with one of those and save yourself some cash for a different PAM in the future :wink:

Have you tried on any 44mm PAMs, they obviously aren't as big as the SA but they are a substantial watch that feels amazing on the wrist and just looks great.

7.5" wrist, with huge hands (Was bored and measured)

Driver8 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:47 am

Roff's hit the nail on the head there.

Personally I think Omega make some damn fine watches so who cares if they spend a fortune on marketing? IMO they make some massively stupid marketing decisions when it comes to celebrity endorsements - I mean, I couldn't care less if the grey-haired love-machine (and sometimes actor) George Clooney is paid to wear them. Likewise, failed tennis "star" Anna Kournikova - sure she's a very nice looking girl, but hardly a role model for success in sports! :lol:

And even if she was, what the hell does tennins have to do with watches anyway. (Pointless celebrity endorsements are a real bug-bear of mine!). BUT none of that detracts from the fact that they make some damn fine watches, and the Ploprof is right up there at the top. As Roff said, the Ploprof has the heritage coupled with great build, and I guarantee you won't see many on people's wrists.

So if you mate won't buy Omega because of their marketing, that's fine. It's totally his prerogative....... but he's missing out on some damn fine watches as a result.

Oh and I also agree that Omega is a absolute world apart from Tag.

mrcheatle · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:08 am

I agree, we will have to wait and see when I get them all lined up in front of me

Roffensian · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:12 am

mrcheatle wrote:

BTW are IWC (Aquatimer 2000) In-house movements?

No - caliber 30110 which is modified ETA 2892-A2

Driver8 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:39 am

Roffensian wrote:

mrcheatle wrote:

BTW are IWC (Aquatimer 2000) In-house movements?

No - caliber 30110 which is modified ETA 2892-A2

The only Aquatimer with an in-house is the Aquatimer Vintage from IWC's Vintage collection. It's a lovely, simple, classic looking piece as it's a modern edition of their first Aquatimer from the 60's(I think?), but it's only available on a strap and also quite hard to come by.

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