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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:21 pm 
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Dhalem - Thanks for that I may just have a look and see.

JNelson - I think I'm swaying towards the Legende at the moment but over the last few months I've really quite fancied the White Navvi but now I think that I already have a white SA and a silver SOHC LE so maybe a darker face would be better :roll: . Anyway, the Blue Navvi is in my thoughts now!!! I just need a bit of time to get the head round it.

Roff - I'm quite enjoying the thoughts of you guyz on the discount policies of Breitling and there AD's, something I've not really thought to much about so it's quite interesting but thanks for trying to keep the boys in line. :D

mktbubble74 - Great post, loved reading your thoughts and as I'm 34 I can see what your saying about Breitling trying to target a specific age range, which, makes perfect sense to me! I've bought 3 in around 2 years and looking to buy number 4!! I keep telling myself I'm off my head but something keeps drawing me back to the brand.

IMO there are loads of great brands out there but I don't know what it is, Breitling just stands out to me, whether it's because off affordability or something else I don't know, I just love the brand and the designs.

Thanks for all you posts guyz it's much appreciated, away to look at a few Pams!! :shock: sssshhhhhhh!!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:59 am 
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I just cannot understand why Breitling would want to throw those who've adopted their product these last ten years or so under the bus in favor of a younger demo. That doesn't sound believable to me. Breitling have assumedly spent a lot of scratch on R&D for the new movement and would therefore think that they would want to target new brand adopters as those adopters progress in their careers and assumedly experience greater levels of disposable income. It's not the 'young people' that are going to be in the best position to drive sales going forward. And that's not where Breitling should be focusing its efforts anyway. We're not talking about Swatch here.

Something tells me that the bezel on the B01 might be an expression of vanity more than anything else. It's entirely possible that when Breitling was thinking about the showpiece case for the B01 they solicited customer feedback and the feedback said, 'we like the Chronomat Evo design and bezel, don't change anything', and when faced with this unpleasant truth the design guys had to come up with something to justify their jobs.

Having said all of this, I DO like the B01 the more I try it on and more I look at it. I just need to figure out how wearable the thing is. There was a poster a while back who said it would be great if he could 'test drive' the B01 for a week or so. That's something I'd like to do as well, but lots of luck :roll:

I will also say that the discounts are there on the B01s, consistent with Chronomat Evos-at least at the three ADs I've been frequenting lately. In fact I've been offered better numbers on the B01 than on the Legende Limited Edition I'm also looking at.


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Right chaps, the Legende seems to be the frontrunner at the moment, love that silver/white dial!! :D

I've just been checking my chronolog tonight and noticed that it weighs 224.40gr! That surely can't be correct, if it is thats nearly half as much again as my SA. I'm thinking I may need a few trips to the gym. :D

Have I got that wrong?

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Don't know where abouts you are in scotland but Tom Coll Jewellery updtairs in the argyle arcade in Glasgow has a mint Legendé (SS with black face) pre owned but imacculate for £3k.

I tried it on a few weeks ago but it was just too big for my wrists, plus the intergrated bracelet put me off too. Lovely watch though.

Check the website.


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Right chaps, the Legende seems to be the frontrunner at the moment, love that silver/white dial!! :D

I've just been checking my chronolog tonight and noticed that it weighs 224.40gr! That surely can't be correct, if it is thats nearly half as much again as my SA. I'm thinking I may need a few trips to the gym. :D

Have I got that wrong?

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You probably have the weight on the SA wrong, the one you're looking at is head-only. With the bracelet I bet it is closer to 250g.


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dhalem wrote:
andrew692003 wrote:
Right chaps, the Legende seems to be the frontrunner at the moment, love that silver/white dial!! :D

I've just been checking my chronolog tonight and noticed that it weighs 224.40gr! That surely can't be correct, if it is thats nearly half as much again as my SA. I'm thinking I may need a few trips to the gym. :D

Have I got that wrong?

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You probably have the weight on the SA wrong, the one you're looking at is head-only. With the bracelet I bet it is closer to 250g.


Legende weight is confusing because it includes the bracelet, whereas others are head only. Legende includes bracelet because it's integrated.


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mktbubble74 wrote:
Roff makes a good point, but I have a completely different view.

Breitling has enjoyed global market penetration through a combination of attractive styling AND aggressive discounting. My opinion is that they are targeting a young-ish (20s/30s) customer base to try and build lifetime affinity and therefore historically recognized that ADs may have needed to be a bit flexible on price to get the product into the marketplace. Maybe this doesn't hold true with the Bentley line and some of the precious metals models but for the majority of their offerings priced between USD 3-6K, the last 7-8 years you've been able to negotiate (unless you're dealing with an establishment whose name begins with 'T').

Now all of a sudden Breitling is not OK with the distribution strategy they've sanctioned as necessary to build brand recognition. OK, so let's follow that through:

-Fire ADs who they deem have 'abused' the discounting privilege;
-Hike AD cost for everyone else.

Now what does this accomplish? A few things. First, it's going to lose you customers as without the ability to negotiate discounts some people may simply not be able to afford a given timepiece, or worse, find that timepiece is now priced equivalent/close to equivalent with a competitor (maybe a Rolex Sub). I.

Second, the last couple of years have seen some pretty radical departures from Breitling's historical styling (see Chronomat B01 and Galactic lines, rubber bezel on Superocean); so while they're improving functionally (B01 movement) they will likely need to incentivize purchasers to buy into the Breitling design department's 'vision' of the future. With tight AD discounting restrictions, this probably won't happen.

Third, the global economy is still terrible and likely to remain that way for some time. Most of Breitling's new customer base did pretty well for themselves 2002-2007 but after that all bets, and bonuses, are off. So again, if ever there were a time to look askance at discounting this would seem to be it. At least in the U.S., most customers are NOT at a point where they can absorb retail price increases-we very much have a stagflation thing going on here.

Fourth, and I've made this point previously, Breitling probably incurred a lot of costs in designing the B01 movement and they will need to recoup these costs through sales. I think it's probably a better business strategy at this stage of the game to encourage ADs to push product rather than to try and build some faux facade of exclusivity as the company's financial health could very well depend on it.

So I think Breitling needs to continue to encourage discounting, even if on the down-low. Otherwise customers will either find something else to do with their disposable income or they'll purchase from a competitor. And I think the latter could become a problem for our friends in Switzerland in the near future.

Just my $.02, and from a US perspective at that. Still a big fan of the brand, hoping they get their heads on straight and start listening to customers rather than drink the Kool-Aid of engineering arrogance.


that was a great post. thoroughly enjoyed your insight.


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I almost went for a bronze dial Legende, a beautiful watch but the bracelet/strap limitations were a niggle for me.

Go for the World!

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Thanks for the heads up Farquare but I'm looking for a Silver/White face I think.

Cheers for the comments chaps. I know the Legende is less versatile for changing of straps but to be honest I don't see that bothering me as I love the bracelets and I also have plenty straps for my other watches that If I feel like a change then I have plenty other choices.

As I've said before If I go for this purchase then that would be me up to 4 :shock:, I only wear one at a time :D and thats usually at night or on the weekends so choosing 1 out of the 4 would be a task in itself never mind choosing straps etc. So although you make good points on the strap issues I think I should be okay on that front.

I've had some qoutes done by George, yesterday and I also received an e-mail from the AMOC chap at Andrew Michaels wondering if I needed any help so I think he's possibly getting me a few prices!! Crunch time is looming.

Stefan - I've had an itch for the 'World' for months but now seem to have the head set on the 'Legende' they are both beautifull watches but for some reason the latter seems to have caught my eye. Its a pity I can't see them both together but as usual I'm to far away to get to an AD to do any 'trying on' so I'm just relying on the great info from here......again! :lingsrock:

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I know of a very nice bronze dial Legende for sale, I sooooo very nearly went for it, but then I've wanted a silver/white dial World to go with my black dial World for a very long time, and it just so happens the perfect dial/strap combo came up as a trade offer! :wink:

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