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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:26 am 
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I would still ask for it back and send it in yourself. A full service still supposed to cost ~$500 and a polish is included. I would also try contacting JD Watchworks in San Francisco. I find him to be a lot nicer to deal with and he's factory authorized.


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jibba glad to hear that you are getting your issue resolved. stories like this make the brand look really bad. since i am new to this brand i cant say if i have had a good or bad experience with service. i guess that only time will tell.

do you guys think that had Jibba purchased the watch directly from the AD brand new that the outcome would have beeen different??


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Correct, the cost of an overhaul is a flat fee of around $ 550. However, the longer you wait for that overhaul, the more parts will, eventually, need replacing and are not included in the regular service. Thus, the extra cost.


Huh?

If you run a watch with bad lubrication or broken down oils then you run the risk of damaging more parts, but if the watch is maintaining COSC specs for 7 years then clearly the oil is still doing its job and it will cost no more for a service if the watch loses COSC specs after 7 years, than if it loses COSC specs after 4 years.


That's correct. That is why the service is advised after 4-5 years and not mandatory. The watch can keep going for 10 years without a problem, as it may not. I have a friend with a Navitimer who sent his watch for service after 13 years, well, it cost him $ 1'300 because there were too many parts that needed replacing, plus crystal change and polishing. He was told that if he had brought his watch in after 5 years of use the service fee would have been around $ 500, plus the cost of the crystal.

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F14D_Tomcat wrote:
That's correct. That is why the service is advised after 4-5 years and not mandatory. The watch can keep going for 10 years without a problem, as it may not. I have a friend with a Navitimer who sent his watch for service after 13 years, well, it cost him $ 1'300 because there were too many parts that needed replacing, plus crystal change and polishing. He was told that if he had brought his watch in after 5 years of use the service fee would have been around $ 500, plus the cost of the crystal.


No desire to flog a dead horse, but.........

$1,300 after 13 years = $100 per year. $500 after 5 years = $100 per year. Doesn't sound like your friend lost out to me.

The bottom line is that servicing requirements are not dictated by time periods, they are dictated by the condition of components, and generally the oil is the first part to need attention. That will generally be evidenced by an inability to keep within COSC specs, although there may be other symptoms.

With oil the issue is usually aging / breaking down of the oil and that has nothing to do with whether the watch is operating or not so a watch that has been sitting at an AD for 4 years before selling may well need a service before the end of the warranty period.


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I perfectly concur with you Roff. That is why you must find an AD you can trust, especially when you're buying an older model that could have been sitting for a while at the store. Hence a possible big sale price. It may be useful to order a watch with one or two extras, so the AD must make a special order for it instead of taking out of his stock.

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ordering extras doesnt preclude it coming from stock.

easiest way to work it out is get them to remove the south side of the bracelet and look at the MFG date.

also just coz it comes from the country dist doesnt mena its recently made if its a low sales vloume watch you might just get one that was made a few years back as its been sat in the safe at the dist.

also on the service point cost and time dont have a linear relationship, so although in this instance it works out like that its down to component wear as roff says.


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Jibba wrote:
Final Update:

I got a call from my AD this morning to further explain the high cost of service. She said they had “made a mistake” and quoted me the wrong. She said they inadvertently charged me for parts, which we part actually baked into the overhaul price. The new breakdown was:

Overhaul 680
Parts 100
Polish 100
Total 880

With tax and shipping it would be $913.59 instead of the original quote of $1045. Although this cheaper, it is still more than I was anticipating and not in line with the experience of the folk who have commented on this forum. Sensing my disappointment, the customer service rep at Finks (who was extremely friendly), said she would discuss with her manager and see if any additional discounts were possible. I got a call back about an hour later with news that Finks would further discount my service fee and the new total would be $851.77. this is still higher than I expected, but nearly $200 cheaper than the first price. I guess I have no choice but to pay the man and get the watch fixed. Next time I will just send the watch back myself and deal directly with BUSA or just give up on Breitling all together.

Boogiebot, I purchased the watch second hand about year ago from a local collector in my city. After noticing the issue, I contacted the seller; however, he would not stand behind the watch…..which ultimately I understand. I didn’t expect any special treat from my AD since I didn’t buy the watch from them. I simply just wanted to be treated fairly and not charged more than the $25 they quoted me to send the watch back for me.

Thanks to everyone for the support and information.


Interesting that they made a "mistake" on the quote. Also interesting that they have the ability to discount services that they do not perform themselves and services they aren't determining the prices for.


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The second part isn't a surprise at all dealers have a markup on service

buk cr example charge the same to a customer direct as they do through a dealer but the dealer paid buk at a dealer price and then markup to the breitling approved price same as any business


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F14D_Tomcat wrote:
That is why the service is advised after 4-5 years and not mandatory. The watch can keep going for 10 years without a problem, as it may not. I have a friend with a Navitimer who sent his watch for service after 13 years, well, it cost him $ 1'300 because there were too many parts that needed replacing, plus crystal change and polishing. He was told that if he had brought his watch in after 5 years of use the service fee would have been around $ 500, plus the cost of the crystal.

Yeah, it's not mandatory, but from your friend's experience we see that Breitling still charged $100 per year.
I think it's a rip-off and the factory have set around $100 per year "service fee".
Believe that it would be $1300 also, if the watch was in the safe for 13 years.


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That is why the service is advised after 4-5 years and not mandatory. The watch can keep going for 10 years without a problem, as it may not. I have a friend with a Navitimer who sent his watch for service after 13 years, well, it cost him $ 1'300 because there were too many parts that needed replacing, plus crystal change and polishing. He was told that if he had brought his watch in after 5 years of use the service fee would have been around $ 500, plus the cost of the crystal.

Yeah, it's not mandatory, but from your friend's experience we see that Breitling still charged $100 per year.
I think it's a rip-off and the factory have set around $100 per year "service fee".
Believe that it would be $1300 also, if the watch was in the safe for 13 years.

When Breitling advertises Complete Overhaul for $650 for a mechanical chronograph, it should already include the cost of spare parts. I mean, why use the word complete :roll:


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It's all about customer relations. I charge a flat fee for servicing a watch, based on the complexity of the movement. Unless I get a real basket case, I throw in a part here and there just to minimize the adversarial nature of performing services. If the movement is really a disaster, I notify the customer and enter into a discussion to best resolve the problem. Of course, my wife says I give too much away. The difference is I don't sell watches.

Obviously, BUSA, and other Breitling service centers, are following profit driven protocols. Breitling is truly a niche market. While some people collect them, most probably own only one or two. It comes down to a decision about where the money comes from. If you consider that the watch will continue to need service no matter who owns it, alienating the original or current owner is of little consequence to the overall business model of selling watches. Most owners will send the watch in for service. If they are really unhappy, they will sell the watch and let the next owner deal with it. Obviuosly, they will not tell the prospective owner about their dissatisfaction with the service.

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It's all about customer relations. I charge a flat fee for servicing a watch, based on the complexity of the movement. Unless I get a real basket case, I throw in a part here and there just to minimize the adversarial nature of performing services. If the movement is really a disaster, I notify the customer and enter into a discussion to best resolve the problem. Of course, my wife says I give too much away. The difference is I don't sell watches.

Obviously, BUSA, and other Breitling service centers, are following profit driven protocols. Breitling is truly a niche market. While some people collect them, most probably own only one or two. It comes down to a decision about where the money comes from. If you consider that the watch will continue to need service no matter who owns it, alienating the original or current owner is of little consequence to the overall business model of selling watches. Most owners will send the watch in for service. If they are really unhappy, they will sell the watch and let the next owner deal with it. Obviuosly, they will not tell the prospective owner about their dissatisfaction with the service.

My opinion only. Your mileage may vary.



I think that is very true, especially given how tightly Breitling restricts access to parts to their dealer network. They truly do have a monopoly on servicing (if you want to stay original) and monopolies are never good for customer service (or many other things!).


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The second part isn't a surprise at all dealers have a markup on service

buk cr example charge the same to a customer direct as they do through a dealer but the dealer paid buk at a dealer price and then markup to the breitling approved price same as any business


Not to take the OP too far off topic, but if the AD charges a fee, why would anyone knowledgeable on this forum go through the AD to get their waych serviced? I just asked the sales lady who sold me my SOH about this and she said (candidly) that she wouldn't advise me to go through them, rather send to BUSA directly. The OP's experience seems to suggest the same.
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Well I asked my ad if they charged anything and they said theyonly charge $25 dollars for shipping and handling. I guess they are lying to me. I'll call them out when I pick up the watch.

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ok let me try and expain the ad bit again (note this related to uk but cant see why it be diff in the usa)

whether you send it to BUK or to a dealer who sends it to BUK you pay the same money

butn the dealer doesnt pay BUK what he or they would charge you as a customer he makes a margin on it like as if he pays wholesale something the end customer cant do

for me the best reason to send it to an ad is it is insured by them from the minute you give it over to the min u get it back and that doesnt cost any more

if i send it to BUK i have to get cover as our postage only covers to 2.5k which doesnt cover the cheapest of my watches

so for the OP id expect his dealer to markup to breitling service RRP however what i have a feeling they have done is marked up past this and the whole mistake thing seems to indicate that also, therefore i would send it direct to BUSA for a quote and expalin afterwards if BUSA come back cheaper all that the ad has done.


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