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 Post subject: Re: Obstinate AD
PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:15 pm 
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Wow FEAR, 35% thats crazy!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:43 pm 
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i have a place here in my city that i can get old breitlings 40% off, he was a 2002/2003 AD, now the few old ones he have are 40% off

my main AD gives me 10% for start but i think i can push a litle further

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:01 pm 
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I usually get about 20% but competition is pretty heavy in my area.

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I know it's Australia but I got 28% off without too much difficulty in December from a Sydney AD.

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I've gotten an AD discount of 25% off each Breitling I've purchased and both transactions were conducted via tele. Either go somewhere else or call other ADs. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:27 pm 
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I love threads like these because they cover a whole range of interesting things.

1. Misleading posts. "I get 30 - 1000% Percent off EVER TIME"!!!! Well, one might, one might not, but I'm willing to bet that if one does get %!!!!!! off EVERY TIME, it's because one would have purchased multiple watches and have a strong relationship with this particular dealer. I think that should be stated as part of the comment about how much %!!!!! you get off. Newbies see this, walk into a dealer for the first time, ask for that discount, get scoffed at, become angry at dealer.....

2. Just because the dealer doesn't discount, doesn't mean they are a bad dealer, obstinate, or anything else. Obviously they are still in business and they are selling Breitlings for MSRP, so they are being "stubborn" for that reason. One may not like that reason, but that's why there is competition. Other dealers don't want to have to overcome price as an objection, so they cut prices a little and live with less profit...Find them, but don't expect %10000!!!!! off just because you read that "somebody got that, on some watch,at some dealer", on a forum...


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It's definitely the financial situation that has been driving greater discounts in all watch brands. Even Rolex has slightly tilted their head in the other direction by allowing deeper discounting. Heck the brands won't get paid if their dealers don't move product.

I will say this though, if and when the economy recovers, look for the deep discounts to slow down. The large brands do require contracts with their distribution network that will be more tightly enforced once a recovery is realized.

At least that's what I'm hearing... :wink:

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It's definitely the financial situation that has been driving greater discounts in all watch brands. Even Rolex has slightly tilted their head in the other direction by allowing deeper discounting. Heck the brands won't get paid if their dealers don't move product.

I will say this though, if and when the economy recovers, look for the deep discounts to slow down. The large brands do require contracts with their distribution network that will be more tightly enforced once a recovery is realized.

At least that's what I'm hearing... :wink:


Such subtlety :lol:

I think that's a key point - the contracts with Breitling haven't changed - they still state maximum discount amounts, it's just the degree of enforcement that is changing in the current economic climate. It's not that long ago that BUSA made examples of a few ADs who provided buyers with the ability to claim 'I get x% off every time'.


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It's not that long ago that BUSA made examples of a few ADs who provided buyers with the ability to claim 'I get x% off every time'.[/quote]

True dat Roff... :wink:

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2. Just because the dealer doesn't discount, doesn't mean they are a bad dealer, obstinate, or anything else. Obviously they are still in business and they are selling Breitlings for MSRP, so they are being "stubborn" for that reason. One may not like that reason, but that's why there is competition. Other dealers don't want to have to overcome price as an objection, so they cut prices a little and live with less profit...Find them, but don't expect %10000!!!!! off just because you read that "somebody got that, on some watch,at some dealer", on a forum...

I don't recall saying a word about the dealer being bad. I did say they were obstinate and they are. I've been dealing with them for ~ three years and have yet to have them discount a single item in that three year time period. That's three purchases in three years and each time I requested a discount without effect. That sir is the very definition of obstinate [Firmly or stubbornly adhering to one\'s purpose opinion, etc; not yielding to argument, persuasion or entreaty (Random House Unabridged Dictionary)]. That doesn't mean they are bad or evil or whatever. Just obstinate - as I said.

I also never said I didn't "like" their obstinance as you have implied. I simply asked if other members knew of AD's that conducted business in a similar fashion. From their responses, it is plainly obvious, given the overwhelming majority of those confirming that their AD's do offer some sort of discount ,that my AD (the one in question) is clearly an outlier in this.

And to your last point of expecting a percentage off. I don't and never said I did. I did say I wanted to see if my AD was the exception to the rule and irrespective of your beliefs in what other members of this forum receive in discounts, quite clearly as already stated, that is indeed the case.


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2. Just because the dealer doesn't discount, doesn't mean they are a bad dealer, obstinate, or anything else. Obviously they are still in business and they are selling Breitlings for MSRP, so they are being "stubborn" for that reason. One may not like that reason, but that's why there is competition. Other dealers don't want to have to overcome price as an objection, so they cut prices a little and live with less profit...Find them, but don't expect %10000!!!!! off just because you read that "somebody got that, on some watch,at some dealer", on a forum...

I don't recall saying a word about the dealer being bad. I did say they were obstinate and they are. I've been dealing with them for ~ three years and have yet to have them discount a single item in that three year time period. That's three purchases in three years and each time I requested a discount without effect. That sir is the very definition of obstinate [Firmly or stubbornly adhering to one\'s purpose opinion, etc; not yielding to argument, persuasion or entreaty (Random House Unabridged Dictionary)]. That doesn't mean they are bad or evil or whatever. Just obstinate - as I said.

I also never said I didn't "like" their obstinance as you have implied. I simply asked if other members knew of AD's that conducted business in a similar fashion. From their responses, it is plainly obvious, given the overwhelming majority of those confirming that their AD's do offer some sort of discount ,that my AD (the one in question) is clearly an outlier in this.

And to your last point of expecting a percentage off. I don't and never said I did. I did say I wanted to see if my AD was the exception to the rule and irrespective of your beliefs in what other members of this forum receive in discounts, quite clearly as already stated, that is indeed the case.


BR549, if it were me I'd try several ADs via tele. I have only purchsaed one watch while physically in the store. All others have been via tele and discounts were negotiated this way and taxes avoided.
Oh, and as far as what the previous poster mentioned about mult purchases from the same AD, well I've not purchased from the same AD twice. Not that I didn't like the ADs, but there was a better deal to be had somewhere else. I recieved discounts on Breitling, Rolex, and Omegas and this is from ADs in different parts of the country. My Panerai was the only watch that was not discounted, but the AD did send me two very nice additional straps worth $500. The best part was doing it all from the comfort of my own home.
Now go get the watch you want for the price you're willing to pay.


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2. Just because the dealer doesn't discount, doesn't mean they are a bad dealer, obstinate, or anything else. Obviously they are still in business and they are selling Breitlings for MSRP, so they are being "stubborn" for that reason. One may not like that reason, but that's why there is competition. Other dealers don't want to have to overcome price as an objection, so they cut prices a little and live with less profit...Find them, but don't expect %10000!!!!! off just because you read that "somebody got that, on some watch,at some dealer", on a forum...

I don't recall saying a word about the dealer being bad. I did say they were obstinate and they are. I've been dealing with them for ~ three years and have yet to have them discount a single item in that three year time period. That's three purchases in three years and each time I requested a discount without effect. That sir is the very definition of obstinate [Firmly or stubbornly adhering to one\'s purpose opinion, etc; not yielding to argument, persuasion or entreaty (Random House Unabridged Dictionary)]. That doesn't mean they are bad or evil or whatever. Just obstinate - as I said.

I also never said I didn't "like" their obstinance as you have implied. I simply asked if other members knew of AD's that conducted business in a similar fashion. From their responses, it is plainly obvious, given the overwhelming majority of those confirming that their AD's do offer some sort of discount ,that my AD (the one in question) is clearly an outlier in this.

And to your last point of expecting a percentage off. I don't and never said I did. I did say I wanted to see if my AD was the exception to the rule and irrespective of your beliefs in what other members of this forum receive in discounts, quite clearly as already stated, that is indeed the case.


Umm...Stating that you dealer doesn't discount a single "bloody" dime didn't give me the impression that you were a fan of their "obstinance".

After three purchases in three years it seems as if your reasoning and subsequent aruging for discounts isn't enough to persuade them. I would suggest moving on..


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Umm...Stating that you dealer doesn't discount a single "bloody" dime didn't give me the impression that you were a fan of their "obstinance".
Incorrect impression. Simply meant to stress that no discount of any amount is given.

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After three purchases in three years it seems as if your reasoning and subsequent aruging for discounts isn't enough to persuade them. I would suggest moving on..
Ummmm ....Hence the reason for my opening question of this thread. An attempt to ascertain, as I clearly stated, if other members of this forum had experiences such as mine or if I was in the minority.


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Umm...Stating that you dealer doesn't discount a single "bloody" dime didn't give me the impression that you were a fan of their "obstinance".
Incorrect impression. Simply meant to stress that no discount of any amount is given.

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After three purchases in three years it seems as if your reasoning and subsequent aruging for discounts isn't enough to persuade them. I would suggest moving on..
Ummmm ....Hence the reason for my opening question of this thread. An attempt to ascertain, as I clearly stated, if other members of this forum had experiences such as mine or if I was in the minority.


It has been determined that you're paying too much, especially after three prior prurchases.

With that knowledge in hand, what happens now?


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br549 wrote:
The Toecutter wrote:
Umm...Stating that you dealer doesn't discount a single "bloody" dime didn't give me the impression that you were a fan of their "obstinance".
Incorrect impression. Simply meant to stress that no discount of any amount is given.

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After three purchases in three years it seems as if your reasoning and subsequent aruging for discounts isn't enough to persuade them. I would suggest moving on..
Ummmm ....Hence the reason for my opening question of this thread. An attempt to ascertain, as I clearly stated, if other members of this forum had experiences such as mine or if I was in the minority.


It has been determined that you're paying too much, especially after three prior prurchases.

With that knowledge in hand, what happens now?

Was paying too much would be more accurate. I haven't purchased from them since I joined this forum.


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