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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:06 am 
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I guess we'll agree to disagree then.


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Shadow87 wrote:
It's a gimmick A very nice one at that

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:22 am 
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I also haven't yet seen any pilot wear one. And i know quite a few in Montreal and NY. Heck most never even heard of it (but most did agree it was very nice looking).

And to add that a lot of rescue agencies are switching to a new channel (something about satellites or something)...


There was recently a program on UK TV about the Red Arrows display team, most of which were wearing a Breitling Emergency. Those that weren't had Aerospaces. Last year I went to a few air shows and lot of pilots, some of whom were in Breitling hospitality had Emergency's.

Its probably the case that comercial pilots don't feel the need for them. Military pilots obviously see it differently.

I fully understand if you don't like the look of it, its not what you could call pretty :lol: but I love 'em :lingsrock:

Oh, and the satellite thing, please see below:

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i dont know about gimmick, its what makes the watch an emergency. i have heard of them being used for real. if it was a gimmick then why would you have to fill out a form from breitling and if pulled for no reason get a big fine. gimmick to me is a useless no function piece. the emergency transmiter is usefull.IMHO

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I would be willing to bet that yes, the overwhelming majority of people who own a Breitling Emergency will probably never be in the situation to need to use the transmitter for what it's intended for. But then again, how many people really, truly use the chronograph, GMT, or non-date complication on their watch? Most people buy for looks.

I will probably end up picking an Emergency because I LIKE the look of that big knob and like the story it tells. I like my watches to be interesting and fun to wear!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:32 am 
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Shadow87 wrote:
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it's mainly a gimmick


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There are a number of people, including at least one member of this site, who would strongly deisagree with that!


No one in their right mind would put their lives in their hands of it.

Their primary distress beacon will be withing the plane. Secondary will be in the life boat.

Also the whole antenna thing is ridiculous. It will only properly work if you are high up, have the watch set on the ground with the antenna extended... That antenna also seem very thin. Heck nothing about that watch looks like it will resist the crash... especially when you compare it to a proper distress beacon.

I also haven't yet seen any pilot wear one. And i know quite a few in Montreal and NY. Heck most never even heard of it (but most did agree it was very nice looking).

And to add that a lot of rescue agencies are switching to a new channel (something about satellites or something)...

It's a gimmick :) A very nice one at that.



:guns: Errrr that's an ill informed opinion, sorry.

A friend, who is an extremely talented pilot and brave man, flies for RAF Search & Rescue.

Strangely, even with the various ELT's on the Sea King etc etc, he never flies without wearing...his Emergency. And he also maintains it's a great transmitter for them to hone in on during a rescue.

As also stated, many many military pilots wear them. OK so they are also cool to look at, but it could save their lives.

I wear mine when I fly/travel. Ok, if I were unfortunate to be in a crash I'd most likely perish, but IF I survived, I'd definitely stand a better chance of rescue if I had the emergency to use.

Gimmick? Sure, right up to the time when it saves your life. There are a number of people alive who would not be without the use of this extraordinary timepiece/tool.

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I want to see the ultimate full ling emergency! a super avenger emergency! i would be on line for that bad boy. ohhhh or a blacksteel emergency!


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Wear mine everytime I get on a plane, hopei never have to use it but happy to have an insurance policy oh and. Member here used his successfully on a downed plane ride and u needto do a search on the freq thing as it's far from useless


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alex** wrote:
......and u needto do a search on the freq thing as it's far from useless


Have a bit more time than this morning, and probably feeling a little more generous, so, in brief.........

The staellite monitoring of the civillian Emergency frequency has been discontinued, but that is completely irrelevant as the transmitter isn't strong enough to be picked up by satellite in anything outside of perfect conditions.

All air and surface vehicles will continue to monitor the 121.5MHz frequency and there is absolutley no reason for Breitling to change up the frequency.


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:guns: Errrr that's an ill informed opinion, sorry.

A friend, who is an extremely talented pilot and brave man, flies for RAF Search & Rescue.

Strangely, even with the various ELT's on the Sea King etc etc, he never flies without wearing...his Emergency. And he also maintains it's a great transmitter for them to hone in on during a rescue.

As also stated, many many military pilots wear them. OK so they are also cool to look at, but it could save their lives.

I wear mine when I fly/travel. Ok, if I were unfortunate to be in a crash I'd most likely perish, but IF I survived, I'd definitely stand a better chance of rescue if I had the emergency to use.

Gimmick? Sure, right up to the time when it saves your life. There are a number of people alive who would not be without the use of this extraordinary timepiece/tool.

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And i know both commercial, private and military pilots, and I also have my private license (i LOVE flying). None wear a emergency, most never even heard of it (but most do have very nice watches).

Short from one of them, they would never rely on a watch with a built in distress beacon. Mostly because they do not need it.

Is it nice to have? Sure it is! So is having a lots of other useful things.

Will it save your life? Well sure maybe, but if you are at the point that you are away from your airplane, your personal DB is malfunctioning and the spare one is ether lost/malfunctioning/non existent, then yeah you can kiss you watch and pray the signal is strong enough.

Also to add that 90% of the owner of an emergency will never need to use it (mostly because they will never be placed in a situation to use it), and that most buy it because of the look and because its a nice table top conversation piece.

And to add that the 406MHz is the new 121.5MHz.

Now make a Emergency in both 121.5 and 406MHz with a better antenna, better life battery then yes that thing would be very nice.

But i do have to hand it in to Breitling, it is a 'nice' watch and the warranty that they replace it if ever used in an emergency, free of charge = Thats a seller right there.

To summarize, it's nice to have, but personally i would never rely my life on it. I much prefer a PLB (especially the new one with built in GPS) and a EPIRB when ever I went boating with my old man.

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Shadow87 wrote:
Will it save your life? Well sure maybe.....


Enough said right there. Even you admit that it might save your life.





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And to add that the 406MHz is the new 121.5MHz.


One of the great things about this site is that there is an amazing amount of information available. Of course if you choose not to read it and believe that this statement is true then there's really not much point in discussing it.

Oh well.


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Roffensian wrote:
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Will it save your life? Well sure maybe.....


Enough said right there. Even you admit that it might save your life.





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And to add that the 406MHz is the new 121.5MHz.


One of the great things about this site is that there is an amazing amount of information available. Of course if you choose not to read it and believe that this statement is true then there's really not much point in discussing it.

Oh well.


I was tutored on 406MHz and 121.5MHz. My friend taking his pilot license is going through the same thing right now. My information is from what my tutors taught myself and the class. If that changed, then i guess thats good? They hammered us with 406>121.5 so...

Yes i admit it could save your life, so can any EPIRB, ELT and PLB which are build better and are more powerful. I never said it did not work, i said it was a gimmick (a nice one at that also) :)

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Shadow87 wrote:
That antenna also seem very thin. Heck nothing about that watch looks like it will resist the crash...


Im guessing that if the watch on your arm cant survive the crash, neither can you.

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That antenna also seem very thin. Heck nothing about that watch looks like it will resist the crash...


Im guessing that if the watch on your arm cant survive the crash, neither can you.


Funny thing is the amount of broken watches that are seen after a crash...

Since the thread is slightly derailed from my OP, lets put the gimmick war at end, it comes down to personal opinion (which is what i stated). Right? :lingsrock:


I have been looking at the 'Airwolf' and the 'Areospace'. Now to me the Areo seems to lack something, but the Airwolf makes up for it with a very busy dial. Any middle ground??

Thanks.

Also going to go look at a individual thats selling a Chronomat Evolution and a Omega Speedmaster Pro this week. I'll post pics of the evo to make sure it's real and i don't get screwed :uplaugh:

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As a Commercial pilot who instructs for both Private and Commercial Licences throughout Europe and the USA, I can tell you I whole heartedly disagree with you and also know many pilots with an Emergency, both civilian and military. I love how you say "No one in their right might would put their life in the hands of one", but I'd trust one and I teach people like you everything you know about flying, so in what mind does that make you?

Also, 406 is not really "the new" 121.5 to GA, unless you're transmitting your distress calls on 406.. Another factor most people don't consider when using the argument of how the a/c is equipped with an ELT is when considering that people don't stay with a downed a/c, especially if its in the water, or on fire, which tends it tends to be. So they may find the a/c, but that doesn't mean they'll find you.

Back on your original topic, any of the Breitling choices you've put forward would be a great choice, and correct me if i'm wrong but you don't have to worry much about fakes, this whole range are very poorly copied and wouldn't convince anyone who'd seen the real thing. As for the busy dial, best thing to do is just to go down and try them both on, the weight difference is going to be a big factor! Personally I love the titanium of the aerospace! I'm sure you'll be happy either way, the evo and speedmaster are great watches also, great taste!
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[EDIT: The Evo is incredibly well copied, so do post pics for the Pros to look at, I was refering to the Airwolf/Aerospace]

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