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So if they are manufacturing every part of a 775* ETA movement and have been for the last several years, does that make the EVO I bought in 2008 a watch with an in house movement? OR do they have to have a totally new in house design as well to be concidered this level?

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The definition of a manufacture is somewhat undefined - it's not as simple as say "certified chronometer". Generally to be a manufacture (not technically the same as having an in house movement, but it's what we are generally referring to) is to design your own movement and produce all or most of the parts in house. This is actually a very recent definition - until the 1980s it was a given that the vast majority of parts would be produced by 3rd parties - in some cases little 'Mom and Pop' firms that might do nothing but produce one or two parts. Since then 1980s many of these shops have been acquired by the big firms.

No one produces everything in house - I don't believe there is a single firm that produces their own jewels, and only the truly anal will go to the lengths of producing their own screws (why???) - though many do their own blueing.

So in short, no - you don't have a manufacture movement, even if all of the machined parts were produced on Breitling machines - it's just a copy of someone else's design.

Indeed. Believe it or not... some of A Lange and Sohne's stuff is manufactured in good 'ol Cannadder.

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Well, that's great news for me: Breitling produce the 7750 on their own, with own machinery and own raw material, following a proven design. Well, that's good news for me! Sounds better than most things I heard since a long time ago!!

V.

Breitlingsource: What about the other calibers??? Is everything produced inhouse?

V.

Indeed - and while no one likes to admit where they have their pieces made, there was a rumour a little while back that many of the big manufactures were outsourcing their tourbillons to the Netherlands because they were seeing too high a rejection rate in house.

The old fashion watch making is over. In principle all components are grown using a Liga procedure and as they are 100% correct and fitting assembly is a piece of cake. Checkout Mimotec, they make components for a lot of watchmakers.
http://www.mimotec.ch/Article/Anglais/L ... h%20iW.pdf

Pedro

LIGA certainly makes mass production easier, but I don't think it's sufficient to kill watchmaking. What it does do is help manage costs of 'normal' pieces and allow for investment into the super exclusive pieces that are still handmade. LIGA also cannot replace hand decoration.

And of course the best production process in the world can't handle design!

If you mean the Chrono Cockpit I can only assure you it is a perfect watch size and wear. I have mine and love it for weekday wear. (For week-ends and holidays there is my CSO and for tux occasions my PP 3998.)
BTW it is interesting to see that before 2004 the Chrono Cockpit was the one with an ETA sandwich and a small (I think cca. 36-37? mm) watch and the Chronomat was the cca 39 mm model and B13 inside. Now the Chrono Cockpit has the 39 mm with B13 and the Chronomat is the large model only partly with B13 (the Blackbird uses now the ETA-sandwich which is completely out of my preferences).

I'd love a Blackbird (or even a Bluebird with dark blue dial) with the normal 0/60 countup lunette and a normal day-date version of the B13 (ETA 7750) with the Blackbird calligraphy and luminescence. This chance has gone - at least for the time being.

Best regards: Robertus

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Yes, indeed. Thanks.

V.

I am looking at a pic of the movements from a Chronomat (evo) from 2005 or so I believe, and it has all the ETA stampings on it.

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Sure but this is the integrated chronograph movement born as Valjoux 7750, now lives on as ETA 7750 and internalized by Breitling long ago and named as B13. When I wrote ETA sandwiches I meant "street version" ETA automatics (2892, 2824) with a chronograph module.

Sorry for having been misunderstandable.

Regards: Robertus

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Hi Robert, not sure I follow what you are getting at. I do know that the B13 is the ETA 7750, which was the Valjoux 7750, but thanks for the info.

What I wrote was not in response to what you wrote.. but rather some conflicting information regarding the claim that Breitling was manufacturing exact 1:1 copies of the Valjoux/ETA 7750 movement in house. If the B13 movements have the ETA stampings on them, then they are not being manufactured by Breitling in-house. That is all I am saying.

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In this case I was the one to misunderstand ya sorry for that. BTW it's good to know that we share more or less the same knowledge about movements. I think if Breitling cleared up a bit the mist about this (which parts are produced by ETA, which in-house, or maybe by Sellita, or others) it would do them good - but I understand that communication policy might suggest different. Anyway, just my USD .02...
Best regards from beautiful Budapest: Robertus

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Wanted: Breitling Blackbird 13353 on bracelet

Or at least the plates aren't - can't really say more than that, although I'll concede it would be odd to replace everything except an ETA stamped plate.

Oh and Robertus, I have listed below all of the pieces produced by Sellita that are used in a Breitling:








Yep, that's all of them.