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So, no more than days away from having been raving about how exceptional, beautiful and otherwise brilliant my Navi 01 was, I'm in with a problem. Actually, it was already in the making then, I just didn't know about it.

Out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere, my Navi has decided that every day had 10 superfluous seconds with could be dismissed and certainly didn't need any keeping track of. So it from its so far steady 2 seconds a week to a rather shocking 10 seconds a day. I noticed when suddenly, it was a minute later on my watch than on my phone... Not a good sign I thought, set it again at exactly midnight this very early morning. On lunch today, it was 5 seconds fast.

So of it went to the AD and from there to the factory...

I'm rather sad I had to send it off to days before the first anniversary of me first picking it up. I suppose it had a wellness weekend (more like a month really) at the spa on top of its Bday wish list... Anyhow, well take that as an opportunity to see how good customer service is here in the land of the ling.

I'll keep you posted.

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So, no more than days away from having been raving about how exceptional, beautiful and otherwise brilliant my Navi 01 was, I'm in with a problem. Actually, it was already in the making then, I just didn't know about it.

Out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere, my Navi has decided that every day had 10 superfluous seconds with could be dismissed and certainly didn't need any keeping track of. So it from its so far steady 2 seconds a week to a rather shocking 10 seconds a day. I noticed when suddenly, it was a minute later on my watch than on my phone... Not a good sign I thought, set it again at exactly midnight this very early morning. On lunch today, it was 5 seconds fast.

So of it went to the AD and from there to the factory...

I'm rather sad I had to send it off to days before the first anniversary of me first picking it up. I suppose it had a wellness weekend (more like a month really) at the spa on top of its Bday wish list... Anyhow, well take that as an opportunity to see how good customer service is here in the land of the ling.

I'll keep you posted.


10 sec off per day is a common issue for B01, IMO either yr watch's amplitude is low and needs a little servicing or it just needs some regulation and should be fine. I sent in mine early last mth and got it back after about a week plus. So far has been working perfectly fine after getting my baby back. The customer service here is marvelous. I saw a hairline scratch on the side of the lug after getting my watch back, I wasn't sure if it had been there in the first place but when I told the staff that it wasn't done by me, they had the portion polished and scratch removed on the spot. To my delight the most obvious scratch on my watch happened to be on the same area and was removed as well. I expect the customer service in Switzerland to be even better? My suggestion is to let yr chronograph run for 12 hours after getting yr watch back to check for any other faults. U got 5 years to perfect yr Nav01 so make full use of it;)

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Nav01L wrote:
So, no more than days away from having been raving about how exceptional, beautiful and otherwise brilliant my Navi 01 was, I'm in with a problem. Actually, it was already in the making then, I just didn't know about it.

Out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere, my Navi has decided that every day had 10 superfluous seconds with could be dismissed and certainly didn't need any keeping track of. So it from its so far steady 2 seconds a week to a rather shocking 10 seconds a day. I noticed when suddenly, it was a minute later on my watch than on my phone... Not a good sign I thought, set it again at exactly midnight this very early morning. On lunch today, it was 5 seconds fast.

So of it went to the AD and from there to the factory...

I'm rather sad I had to send it off to days before the first anniversary of me first picking it up. I suppose it had a wellness weekend (more like a month really) at the spa on top of its Bday wish list... Anyhow, well take that as an opportunity to see how good customer service is here in the land of the ling.

I'll keep you posted.


10 sec off per day is a common issue for B01, IMO either yr watch's amplitude is low and needs a little servicing or it just needs some regulation and should be fine. I sent in mine early last mth and got it back after about a week plus. So far has been working perfectly fine after getting my baby back. The customer service here is marvelous. I saw a hairline scratch on the side of the lug after getting my watch back, I wasn't sure if it had been there in the first place but when I told the staff that it wasn't done by me, they had the portion polished and scratch removed on the spot. To my delight the most obvious scratch on my watch happened to be on the same area and was removed as well. I expect the customer service in Switzerland to be even better? My suggestion is to let yr chronograph run for 12 hours after getting yr watch back to check for any other faults. U got 5 years to perfect yr Nav01 so make full use of it;)



Bigger issue is what caused it to suddenly happen? Would a low amplitude cause a watch to run fast, sure, but tough to imagine what would cause a watch to suddenly have a low amplitude - that's more a gradual wear and tear issue as the hairspring wears out. Dirt / contamination will usually result in increased friction and therefore slow the watch down, but really it's pure guess work. A regulation will likely solve the problem if the error is a consistent 10 seconds a day (it's realtively easy to regulate for a consistent error), but my concern would be whether the underlying cause of the problem had been addressed or whether there is a problem waiting to come back.


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Both my Chronomat 01 and Navi 01 experienced the same sudden issue about 2 months ago. My Chronomat has been plagued with issues since day 1, so I just chalked it up to this. However, my Navi has exhibited no real issues, so I was surprised to see it go from +1 sec/day to +11. I'm basically convinced these movements are bound to be problematic and will wait to send them in until they need a routine service. No more in-house Breitling movements for me.

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Both my Chronomat 01 and Navi 01 experienced the same sudden issue about 2 months ago. My Chronomat has been plagued with issues since day 1, so I just chalked it up to this. However, my Navi has exhibited no real issues, so I was surprised to see it go from +1 sec/day to +11. I'm basically convinced these movements are bound to be problematic and will wait to send them in until they need a routine service. No more in-house Breitling movements for me.


I think u are one of the few unlucky ones. Wessa didn't experience any problem with his and mine had been great ever since I got back mine too.

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My new b01 is anywhere from +1 to -2 seconds/day. It seems to be on the negative side if it is not worn all day. This is different from others here who have stated that at the end of the reserve, their watch runs faster.

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What seems stranger is that my Evolution actually keeps more accurate time than my b01. I use my cell phone minute change as the guide.

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Racerdj wrote:
My new b01 is anywhere from +1 to -2 seconds/day. It seems to be on the negative side if it is not worn all day. This is different from others here who have stated that at the end of the reserve, their watch runs faster.



01 movement has a 70 hour reserve, one day doesn't constitute "end of the reserve"


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Sorry to hear about the problem, I hope there is a permanent fix. With that said, I'm staying far far away from any 01 movements. This issues seem to be more and more common. The extended 5 year warranty doesn't even comfort me that much. I just want my watches to run flawlessly.

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Chronomat01LE wrote:
Nav01L wrote:
So, no more than days away from having been raving about how exceptional, beautiful and otherwise brilliant my Navi 01 was, I'm in with a problem. Actually, it was already in the making then, I just didn't know about it.

Out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere, my Navi has decided that every day had 10 superfluous seconds with could be dismissed and certainly didn't need any keeping track of. So it from its so far steady 2 seconds a week to a rather shocking 10 seconds a day. I noticed when suddenly, it was a minute later on my watch than on my phone... Not a good sign I thought, set it again at exactly midnight this very early morning. On lunch today, it was 5 seconds fast.

So of it went to the AD and from there to the factory...

I'm rather sad I had to send it off to days before the first anniversary of me first picking it up. I suppose it had a wellness weekend (more like a month really) at the spa on top of its Bday wish list... Anyhow, well take that as an opportunity to see how good customer service is here in the land of the ling.

I'll keep you posted.


10 sec off per day is a common issue for B01, IMO either yr watch's amplitude is low and needs a little servicing or it just needs some regulation and should be fine. I sent in mine early last mth and got it back after about a week plus. So far has been working perfectly fine after getting my baby back. The customer service here is marvelous. I saw a hairline scratch on the side of the lug after getting my watch back, I wasn't sure if it had been there in the first place but when I told the staff that it wasn't done by me, they had the portion polished and scratch removed on the spot. To my delight the most obvious scratch on my watch happened to be on the same area and was removed as well. I expect the customer service in Switzerland to be even better? My suggestion is to let yr chronograph run for 12 hours after getting yr watch back to check for any other faults. U got 5 years to perfect yr Nav01 so make full use of it;)



Bigger issue is what caused it to suddenly happen? Would a low amplitude cause a watch to run fast, sure, but tough to imagine what would cause a watch to suddenly have a low amplitude - that's more a gradual wear and tear issue as the hairspring wears out. Dirt / contamination will usually result in increased friction and therefore slow the watch down, but really it's pure guess work. A regulation will likely solve the problem if the error is a consistent 10 seconds a day (it's realtively easy to regulate for a consistent error), but my concern would be whether the underlying cause of the problem had been addressed or whether there is a problem waiting to come back.


Yep, that's the scary part... They will certainly have to provide some explanation, I really don't want to get it back like "here you go sir, we readjusted that for you". I would like to have transparency on what went wrong, on why it did and on how they fixed it.

We say in German: Trust is good, scrutiny is better.

Anyhow, well see when and how it comes back. Who knows, perhaps it'll be fine and come in a neat service-case... Made from cardboard with some riv... Oh no, I'm getting cynical again, never mind that last bit.

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Racerdj wrote:
What seems stranger is that my Evolution actually keeps more accurate time than my b01. I use my cell phone minute change as the guide.



Not strange at all. Far and away the two most accurate mechanical watches I have owned have been Valjoux 7750s. And one of them is for sale! (BUY KODIAK'S WATCH, BUY KODIAK'S WATCH!) Some watches come out of the box that way, and I have heard good things about B01s and Omega 8500s coming out of the box very accurate, but any good eta movement can be regulated down to well within COSC standards.

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I have not personally kept track of mine to that extent. From reading on here I watched it for a few days but it seemed spot on. Since then...


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