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Maybe the "rough" I am speaking of is just a little tight compared to the ETA movements. I never thought about it just being tight rather than "rough."

If it makes the same sound and feeling when I wind the watch and when I press the crown back in and turn to close, it feels the exact same. I don't think there is anything wrong with my B04!

Thank you guys for all of your help and advice! I look forward to learning and posting more on this wonderful forum!

I will not beleaguer this point any longer, but in the spirit of "forum"--a friendly exchange of ideas--I wanted to share this information. Someone on the Rolex Forum asked in May 2012 if one could over-wind a Submariner 16610. A 2012 McQueen Pledge Member with over 2,000 posts responded with the following statement: "If you pay close attention to the way the crown feels as you get close to 40 turns, you can feel the clutch begin to engage, basically it feels like you're transitioning from a smooth, precise clicking, to a somewhat gritty mushy feeling. It's unmistakable once you know what it feels like, and then honestly, any winding after that in my opinion, just puts unnecessary wear on the clutch mechanism. The grease inside the barrel that allows the spring to slip wont last forever if you overdo it. Of course that's just my opinion, worth what you paid for it." You must be a member of Rolex Forum to actually read this thread but just so I am properly footnoting my annotations please see http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=232222. The original question on page 1 of this post had to do with a "gritty feel almost like there is sand it or not lubricated completely." This is essentially what I was responding to---the gritty/sandy feel when winding your watch more than 40 turns. Like I said before, we can only offer our opinions based on knowledge that we come across in our travels. This message was in line with what the Service Manager told me at RSC when I felt a gritty sensation when winding my freshly service Oyster Datejust. Like most of what we post/read/analyze, is based on the opinions of others and not based on any specific 2005 magazine articles or Timezone pictures. Take it or leave it...agree with it or strongly disagree with it. That is the whole point for having a forum discussion.

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"I will stand by my comment that a 15 minute early date change is not an issue. Could it be improved - clearly, but I don't think that this would be deemed to be an issue by Breitling, nor should it."

= Strong Opinion here that only proves my previous point. The fact is that the watchmaker at Breitling Boutique NYC did deem it an issue and rectified it by sending it to BUSA for evaluation and issue correction (also stated previously).

No offense, but a date change at 11:45 does not constitute a problem with the watch. Most people would not find that to be a problem, but some people would, and so when you take it to the AD, some ADs will want to make you happy and tell you what your want to hear... That yeah...they'll send it to Breitling to take care of it for you and so some tech there will spend time manually adjusting the time of the date change until it's closer to midnight so that more anal people like you are happy with your watch. I bet if the tech spent another few hours adjusting it, he/she could make the date change at exactly 11:59 to make you even more happy, but that's not the point. The point is that I have several watches that do the date change at all different times...some 15 minutes before midnight, some 5 minutes to midnight, some a little after midnight. None of that means that there's a problem with the watch as the date change time is adjustable and it doesn't mean that the movement is malfunctioning because again...the date change is adjustable. As long as it does change at some point during the night (I don't sit there at 11:45pm starting at my watch hoping the date will change)...I'm happy. There's more important things in life to ponder over. I bet if you took your problem to another AD, they might tell you that you're off your rocker and a date change 15 minutes early is not a big deal at all. Lol

I also don't think there's necessarily a problem with you or any other picky owners of these watches who want everything to look and perform flawless...you are right...these watches cost a lot, and so why not expect it to perform and look perfect? But again, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with watch per se...just that it isn't adjusted the way you want it to be (in the case of the date change argument). Cheers.

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dlNYC: No offense taken at all. That was a great point and well articulated. I raised that example not necessarily to be discussed as an offshoot issue (the main issue of this thread was regarding the winding of a watch not my 15 min time change), but as an example of what is or is not one's strong opinion vs absolute fact. My main example was to address a mis-googling comment. Part of what got me going on this tangent was that some may state things on this forum as a matter of personal fact while they are only one's personal opinion based off their experiences/preferences. You were very tactful in stating your opinion and clarified it as such. The bottom line is that if, for example a date changes 15 minutes early, some members believe that not to be an issue since there are other more important things in life to ponder over and that's perfectly fine while others may be driven crazy by it. Actually they did fine tune it for me but it slipped back to changing at 15 minutes again---BUSA/ Breitling SA did something for me that was extremely out of the ordinary and very amazing--they returned my watch and reissued me a brand new one that changes at 11:57pm. This example only highlights one of the reasons why we all love Breitling. Like you said, if it doesn't bother you or others who are less picky, than that's A OK. But just to clarify, my time change example was not the main point of my original post here. Cheers mate.