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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:01 am 
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When i got my Navitimer 806 back and went out in the cold [8 below zero] the crystal misted up from a slight amount of humidity. I contacted Craig/Chronodeco and he recommended placing it under a light overnight. It appears fine. I was wondering if anyone ever places silica gel packs in their watch storage cases. You can get 100 packs for $8 on ebay. Does anyone have an opinion about doing this.

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I think it's OK...I've got watches that came with one.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:35 am 
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Silica gel will be fine - no chance of it doing any damage.


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Thanks Roff. When I contacted Craig he had never used it but thought it may be fine.He said since the 806 is not waterproof humidity can get in and won't hurt unless it is there for an extended period of time. I think I will use silica gel packets as a preventative.

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Just to be clear, wouldn't humidity entering a watch showing in the form of mist cause the watch to rust? I would have thought any water condensation the misting can cause will damage the dial and also cause rust? Were 806's minimally water resistant or completely not and is there some way of making them minimally water resistant?

Also here's a discussion on a similar story that happened on a Rolex recently that had varying opinions on what was to be done http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=213689


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In this case moisture did not get into the watch. The effect was caused by going outside into a cold temperature, and cold air is capable of holding less moisture than warm air so as the air cooled the moisture condensed on the crystal. When the air warmed up the moisture evaporated, and you are back to the natural situation of air in the watch holding a degree of moisture.

In a vintage watch with no effective water resistance it's going to happen and there is no cause for alarm.


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In this case moisture did not get into the watch. The effect was caused by going outside into a cold temperature, and cold air is capable of holding less moisture than warm air so as the air cooled the moisture condensed on the crystal. When the air warmed up the moisture evaporated, and you are back to the natural situation of air in the watch holding a degree of moisture.

In a vintage watch with no effective water resistance it's going to happen and there is no cause for alarm.



true Roff but if the moisture is on the inside of the crystal it will condense to water when the temperature increases and can damage the dial or cause rust, correct? If misting is normal than wouldn't it be extremely dangerous to have a tool watch fogging on a pilots wrist in a airplane at height or in sea depths rendering it unusable? I too had a similar experience with my vintage Rolex when I saw some mist forming on the crystal once and it disappeared, didn't happen again. I immediately sent it to Rolex and they discovered a fractured plastic crystal as the cause and also redid the waterproofing including new waterproofing gaskets.


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cruvon wrote:
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In this case moisture did not get into the watch. The effect was caused by going outside into a cold temperature, and cold air is capable of holding less moisture than warm air so as the air cooled the moisture condensed on the crystal. When the air warmed up the moisture evaporated, and you are back to the natural situation of air in the watch holding a degree of moisture.

In a vintage watch with no effective water resistance it's going to happen and there is no cause for alarm.



true Roff but if the moisture is on the inside of the crystal it will condense to water when the temperature increases and can damage the dial or cause rust, correct? If misting is normal than wouldn't it be extremely dangerous to have a tool watch fogging on a pilots wrist in a airplane at height or in sea depths rendering it unusable? I too had a similar experience with my vintage Rolex when I saw some mist forming on the crystal once and it disappeared, didn't happen again. I immediately sent it to Rolex and they discovered a fractured plastic crystal as the cause and also redid the waterproofing including new waterproofing gaskets.



But this isn't a waterproof watch.


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Roff Do you feel I am safe not having the watch opened and dried. Since I got the watch back from Craig it has not been around any water short of washing my hands and water did not get near the watch. Craig advised me to place it under a lamp over night. In a navitimer 806 is there enough lack of waterproofing for the watch to breathe and dry out.

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In this case moisture did not get into the watch. The effect was caused by going outside into a cold temperature, and cold air is capable of holding less moisture than warm air so as the air cooled the moisture condensed on the crystal. When the air warmed up the moisture evaporated, and you are back to the natural situation of air in the watch holding a degree of moisture.

In a vintage watch with no effective water resistance it's going to happen and there is no cause for alarm.



true Roff but if the moisture is on the inside of the crystal it will condense to water when the temperature increases and can damage the dial or cause rust, correct? If misting is normal than wouldn't it be extremely dangerous to have a tool watch fogging on a pilots wrist in a airplane at height or in sea depths rendering it unusable? I too had a similar experience with my vintage Rolex when I saw some mist forming on the crystal once and it disappeared, didn't happen again. I immediately sent it to Rolex and they discovered a fractured plastic crystal as the cause and also redid the waterproofing including new waterproofing gaskets.
But this isn't a waterproof watch.


true Roff, it being non water resistant is a valid reason I guess for misting to occur. But when does one make a call to do an immediate inspection if the misting can have serious consequences because of say a fractured crystal,etc. that can cause serious damage v/s the case you describe because of the temperature changes? Also how frequently is the misting observed on 806's based on temp changes?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:53 am 
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Cruvon This is the Navitimer 806 that just came back from Craig and was serviced and has a new crystal. I wonder if the humidity in Oregon is higher than Western Mass. The Dalles where Craig lives is near a major waterway, the Columbia River. I am waiting for another subzero day to take it out and see if it happens again.


By the way is the bezel that turns able to breathe at the interface with the watch?

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It's fine Rick, just ignore the fearmongering :roll:


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Roff Thanks that helps my mind tremendously.

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Cruvon This is the Navitimer 806 that just came back from Craig and was serviced and has a new crystal. I wonder if the humidity in Oregon is higher than Western Mass. The Dalles where Craig lives is near a major waterway. I am waiting for another subzero day to take it out and see if it happens again.



Agree that your watch could be fine Rick, especially since you mention a full service, just expressing some of my own concerns on misting in 806's in general since I was really upset when my Rolex had the misting that got me worried about damage to the dial. Also if you look at the link above on rolexforums where another member posted a similar issue, there were differing opinions on that subject that are even more confusing:).

An example of the contrast is this explanation which is similar to Roff's quoted from http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=213689

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Condensation on the inside of the crystal is generally an indication that there may be a problem but it your case could be possible. However, condensation will quite normally occur when any warm watch is suddenly exposed to a cold environment i.e. if you enter cold water then shortly after warm/hot water or visa versa. In normal circumstances this will appear as a very fine mist and should disappear in a minute/hour or so when the watch warms up. This is quite normal as the air trapped inside your watch will have a small amount of water vapour as its just like normal humidity in the atmosphere, if it disappears quickly all is well. Now if the misting appears as clearly definable droplets of water and does not clear quickly when warm, then it signifies that water has entered the case.Now this will NOT evaporate of its own accord and will need to be removed then afraid its off to the RSC as soon as possible.But any vintage watch like a 5513 as long as its been serviced correctly should be safe to dive snorkel etc without any problems ..



v/s this one which calls for immediate action

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You should act AT ONCE !!

Go to a watch technician to open the watch and dry it out.


You risk your dial as well, as the movement, FOR SURE , within a couple of days will get rust. If you delay, you destroy your watch, .

Do not put it in oil, do not trust that there is "some" condensation that will disappear. Water in the watch = RUST !!!!

( The theory that "some" vapours that exist in the watch and condensate under specific conditions on the inside of the crystal, BUT, within a minute / hour will go away, so do not worry, is a VERY WRONG way to approach the issue.

If fog is shown inside the crystal it means that there is MORE THAN ENOUGH humidity in the watch which at the specific temperature ( the dew point ) condensates and forms drops. These drops are WATER, and watches DO NOT like water. If under low temperatures watches got "foggy", no watch could be read in the poles and/or on the mountains in winter.

No watch tested at pressure shall show this. It is a malfunction that can cost a lot !

I am a Rolex certified watchmaker, and I can tell you with professional experience, any moisture in a Watch at all is very bad. I see watchEs every day that have rust inside and water spots on the dial and hands and the owner sad that it has never gotten moisture inside, but it did fog up one time. The watch needs an overhaul immediately. Anyone who tells you otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.
If any moisture appears in a Watch, do not open it or try tO dry it out. This leads to rust. Leave the watch sealed and the watchmaker will deal with it.
Lastly, it really bothers me that someone could come here and read asinine things like dunk it on oil which can damage you watch, or dunk it In alchOhol which will damage your watch. In the future when someone has a technical or repair issue tell them to ask One of the professionals on the technical forum



But as Roff pointed out, this is more true of watches which are not water resistant to show misting so guess the only protection against that is using silica,etc.


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cruvon wrote:
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Cruvon This is the Navitimer 806 that just came back from Craig and was serviced and has a new crystal. I wonder if the humidity in Oregon is higher than Western Mass. The Dalles where Craig lives is near a major waterway. I am waiting for another subzero day to take it out and see if it happens again.



Agree that your watch could be fine Rick, just expressing some of my own concerns on misting in 806's in general since I was really upset when my Rolex had the misting that got me worried about damage to the dial. Also if you look at the link above on rolexforums where another member posted a similar issue, there were differing opinions on that subject that are even more confusing:).



Cruvon On the rolex forum the discussed rice. I was talking to a pharmacist I work with thru my office and he said they use rice as a desiccant when the are concerned about any moisture contamination. I ordered 100 silica gel packets to keep in my watch cases just as a measure of prevention.

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