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suppose many of you have seen that.
quite optimistic pricing and some claims that not all here agree with.
especially quoting/misquoting or quoting members out of context I consider questionable behaviour.

I saw it. At least he referenced the thread, although a URL would have been nice.

Price is 'optimistic'.

That's a first for me. I never saw anyone put a list of critic reviews in their auction. lol Guess he didn't want to use all the ones from folks that questioned the authenticity.

Maybe the bezel hours are in the right place but the re-done dial hours are off?

When we post something on the net, I guess we're completely vulnerable to how it gets used. I guess that's why so much crap gets quoted and re-quoted by sellers trying to push their wares. Gigandet, anyone?

So, if Fudda wants bidders to review our comments, then let's add what we really think. I tell you now that I think it's a low-life act of skulduggery to quote me without my permission. I do not post here for someone's commercial benefit and I guess we should all be aware of wolves in sheeps' clothing trolling for copy to put into their sales and auctions. I now demand a commission on the sale.

Quoting Schroederbert is pretty droll, too. He a seer and really does see lots of things.

As to this watch, I have no difficulty in agreeing that the case was bought by Breitling in 1953 and the watch built by Breitling before sometime in 1957, when the "BOW" mark switched to "WOG". I also have no difficulty believing, but of course I don't know, that some of these watches were later converted to the newer dial format. That would happen if an owner had the difficult problem of reading the digital minute increment [that design didn't catch on because it wasn't functional] or inability to repair the mechanisms for the digital counter.

I think we might also entertain that the parts came together even more recently. And, here, I'm casting aspertions that I would otherwise keep to myself. If someone had the case and movement, one could source this version of the dial much more easily than the original version. I think it would be close to impossible to source dial and digital counter mechanism parts for the original version.

Each and every ad and appearance of a 765 AVI before 1960 or so shows the version with the digital counter. [But the ads published in 1960 are probably showing images of models a few years older.]

The watch is very nice, but I'm strongly leaning to it having been converted to the newer dial format. But, it's clear that no one knows its history. It's odd that this seller thinks that adds value.

Now. I may just embarass myself when I confess that I just don't understand the bezel alignment issue Fudda is raising. It's a rotating bezel. Move it a minute to the right and it lines up just fine. What am I missing?

Desperate attempts to justify a $27,000 pricetag.

I requested the seller to remove my comments , or add my comments where I question the authenticity of the watch

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Wow, now I understand everyone's reservations in regard to "suggesting" watch values. Crazy liberties taken with those quotes.

I am sorry for causing a fuss about listing quotes from our discussions about the chronograph. I am not a lawyer or a journalist and after some thought I agree I should have included other quotes - although I don't agree that I have misqouted anyone. I have removed them both from my site and from ebay.
Also I have always highly suggested and listed in print for a person to visit this site -read this thread and to decide for yourselves/themselves as best as you can considering nobody really knows. Of course I knew some and maybe most, would not with my hypothises about this watch. Believe it or not, my interest has been the this watch, not the coin. I was my grandpas and I have to sleep at night knowing I have done my best.
The facts about this watch are unknown - period. Collectively you yourselves (those whom have contributed to the discussion), agree it is unusual, rare and quite possible for the year. I do too. All of the individual points in question have been confirmed as possible for manufacture in '53. I have left it to the individual to decide for themselves. I think that is fair. As far as the price being 'optimistic' - Ya...and?

"Come on, Man!" Are you suggesting the case is off center also? It is a simple thing, the indent for positioning the rotating bezel was not manufactured right - IT IS OFF CENTER - no big deal.

Maybe it's me, but I find those two statements rather incongruous.

To me, the watch is interesting, recent events somewhat more concerning, but I guess all is fair when you are trying to make $27 grand on a watch that isn't worth anything close to that (not that the money matters!!). I do think that you did the right thing removing the quotes, although disappointing that someone had to tell you that it wasn't appropriate.

Personally, I'm used to seeing my words appear in eBay listings without people asking me if it's OK, but not usually quite this blatant.

The Recent events concerning you have nothing to do with this watch. I think I have been honest here.
So I made mistakes with the quotes. I have apologized. Can anyone find one like it as a pricing reference? Let's not waste time and effort over the maybe/maybe not details - Start with the defect. Then move forward. I have said many times I need one myself.
I know this watch leaves one with serious manufacturing questions about it. Me too. But if you are the guy with every Breitling AVI you may be interested in the unusual one I am guessing.

Ya know, I played blackjack at a casino once ONCE. Unfortunatley for everyone at the table, I was the first to get my cards. What did I do? - You guessed it, I doubled down on cards I shouldn't have. The guy next to me went nuts! I did what I thought I should do-(as uninformed as I was about blackjack) I didn't know and I made a mistake? Yes, I paid to play also. Big Deal. just because someone is not up to anothers knowledge level about something does not mean they are underhanded or stupid. Lets talk music over the last 40 years and the tables would be turned. I am not suggesting this is a musical chronograph...Ha.
Either way, it has been an interesting summer of research and one of the highlites has been the discussions here on this site. I don't regret bringing it to you for di-section, and I cannot regret the mistakes I have made with my grammar and my quotes - Respectfully - lesson learned. "Comeon Man!" Are we all still friends?

price estimate :

If you ask $2500 someone will buy it quite quickly but if you ask $6000 I doubt anyone will pick it up unless they are less informed
if you're patient you will find the parts to build a watch like this in (lets be conservative) 4 years browsing Ebay and it will probably cost considerably less than the $6K and with little more patience you can pick up an 'all black' 1st or 2nd generation AVI for that price as well . With less 'questions' or doubt

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Fudda, thank you for your honesty... and in return I will offer some advice in a respectable manner as well...

I'll have to agree with the others that although a 765 is worth some money, you might get some more interest if you lowered your price... I will refrain from quoting how much but if you look hard even vintage dealers (online and brick and mortar) won't ask for even half of what you have it for on eBay... manufacturing defects and other anomalies aside, very few vintage Breitlings will command such prices north of 20k, much less even at 10k... if it's not about the "coin" as you stated, perhaps as mentioned if you're serious about letting it go, it would be recommended to set it at a more "realistic" price...

I'm not a super expert here, but I've been around long enough to know... just putting in my .02...

no hard feelings dude... just trying to help you out... and I will be the first to say that IF someone is trying to lowball you, you are more than welcome to PM anyone of us to ask for advice on the
offer...

okay maybe at least just me if no one is willing...

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"I don't got the bright watch I got the right watch" -Jay Z

Sorry I hurt your feelings man. I 'did' add what you think - told everyone to go to this site and read for themselves - next...
Demand a commission - when I joke around on this site I end with (Ha!) - take note. I will give you a commission if you like - I will smile for you when my watch sells, it appears you could use one? Ads were 'probably' published in 1960? That is the sort of uneducated speculation I have become familiar with during my own research, but I would be cautious (myself) of putting somone down by pen and not the sword.
Wolves in sheeps clothing??? Little over dramatic I would say, I do say. This about a watch - I didd't just sell you insurance, right??-it's my watch and I can sell it any way I like. Quoting online print is not as complicated as you make out, after all I have always suggested people decide for themselves and I quoted correctly, period. Taking potshots at a guy through this forum by pen instead of sword is beneath me - although I could not resist it here - my bad. Ha. I am in America, not sure how you do things where you are.
Have you noticed most of the old ads show this watch with the bezel adjusted to some other position than the 'home position'? Probably to show the customer it has a rotating bezel I would guess? But since we are 'entertaining' the goofiest of stuff - it is also possible that the ads were deliberate in the photos and Breitling did not want customers to see the defect. Just a thought, if am allowed.
Move the bezel to the right, off detent and it is alright?? Crazy man. I guess if you but a new car and it pulls to the right all the time, youre ok going in circles or contantly pulling to the left? "Comeon Man"!
Last but not least - skulduggery?? Is that swaheele? (sp) Sounds like a great album title though.
If you want to learn about 'demanding a commission', you should take notes from jlee5050 (sorry man I am affraid of quoting anyone here at this point) I shouldn't be.
You sir were the customer Breitling was DYING FOR in 1953 - they would have seen you coming a mile away. Wow. By the way, you did embarass yourself and I am not even a watch expert, imagine that? Ha. Using words like 'possible', 'entertain'(the thought), 'Of course I don't know', and finally 'I may just embarass myself when I confess I don't understand'...I agree, and you should have started your statements with that and- I did not quote you. Or did I? (joking)
Either way I am sensitive to your vulnerabilities sir, I am comfortable with my manhood as well (can I say that here, Ha), I will try to take your feelings into account next time. OK? Again Ha! Just think I was able to post this without your permission, sorry man. WOw. Hopefully the next time all of us converse here it is in regards to a watch - ANY WATCH.
PS>I have found another like this one from '53 with the same bezel defect on the site you guys refer to as another rip-off of your site. It is a digital version though and no pictures of the movement. Condition is poor to boot. Now that is fair don't you think? I have asked for a verification photo of the defect and I was the guy who found it??? I mean I am trying to sell this one - might have been better not to reveal this, but I consider myself a standup guy regardless of mistakes I have made. You can' take that away from a person- except maybe on this site? Ha - kinda.
Have a great day! If you are interested in purchasing this chronograph keep in touch. (smile dude).
Still having fun here?