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I'm not permitted into those hallowed grounds either - it's ruined my entire day

I completely agree with you about the characteristics of the reissue.

I always found it weird that there wasn't better documentation on them given that the records are available to current Breitling.

this is a re-issue: look the serial number

and this is the original from 1950

It's like one side brings dueling pistols and the other side brings a guy with a plate of pasta.

In the absence of any documentation and while we await original marketing literature from the 1980s, I think we can observe that the "Serie Limitee" did not have any serial numbers or other markings consistent with the original Breitling company. The one posted at Antiquorum in 2004 doesn't show us the back side, etc.

Schoederbert's does have numbers on the back, but it is neither an original Breitling case, movement, nor dial. It's not at all persuasive.

I don't think it's a re-badged Serie Limitee because the dial signatures do not match the 1980s series and is very consistent with reproductions done in the last ten years or so. Note the wide-open "g" in "Breitling," which is a "tell" for high-end replicas done recently in Europe. That one has value for gold content and functions, but it is not an original Breitling nor completely consistent with the Serie Limitee reproductions.

I see Schoederbert has added some images while I'm posting this. I don't understand how showing more images of made-up watches assists his aim of trash-talking Dino's. The fact that he owns more bogus pieces than the rest of us doesn't make them more right. It only means he can't tell a real one from a fake one and that he persists in trying to sell them as original. It's difficult to take that from a profoundly dishonest person.

Now that I've seen Schoederbert's last post and return here to edit, I can only marvel at his attempt to prove his point by displaying a companion piece with so many obvious signs of recent production. What a crazy jumble of mis-matched markings! I think he must be just trying to entertain us with logical pratfalls and seltzer bottle arguments. He's a better comedian than watch collector.

does someone have a larger picture of the hallmarks ?

I cant make out what they are

to me they look like (from left to right)

left: Hammerhead with 353 or 356
upper right : dogs head
lower right : set of scales

is what I am seeing and writing correct ?

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

btw, here's the movement that goes with the small tuna watch
I actually owned it and at one point had it verified by Breitling Singapore when I was there

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

hmm.. found something

Quote:

Under the current law, on all gold, silver, platinum or palladium watches cases made in Switzerland or imported into Switzerland, must bear : Maker's Responsibility Mark and his indication of purity, the official Hallmark and since 1995 the head of a Saint-Bernard dog (illustrated below). Prior to 1995. the official Swiss hallmark was lady's head.

so lets see the difference of a rolex bracelet

ONE FILE REMOVED DUE TO COPYRIGHT LEGAL COMPLAINT

looks pretty obvious to me

now the case from the 'Duograph'

ONE FILE REMOVED DUE TO COPYRIGHT LEGAL COMPLAINT

definately NOT a ladies head.. so its post 1995 , which makes it *drum roll* .............. not a Breitling at all ?

and please compare with a 1960'ies Gold 806 and its hallmarks where the ladies head is clearly visible

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Real facts - I like that.

That's actually really helpful information for future reference Dracha.

Voila le ladys head;

too bad the lady looks the wrong way and does not have the triangle around her
so I dont know what it is but its not a Swiss gold hallmark

faking hallmarks is as punishable as forging / faking money

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Not sure about Switzerland, but most countries that use the English based legal system have a penalty of 10 years imprisonment for hallmark forgery. Personally I prefer the pre 1773 penalty (death)!

nice jokes

just giving it some more thought ..

Assuming the ladies head is correct , in a weird place as its not beside the 750 mark but still, how does the "head of dog" hallmark end up on that watch ?
how would Breitling, in the 1950ies , know what the new Swiss gold hallmark would be 45 years later ?
are there any other examples where the Breitling 18K Gold watch has both a ladies head and a st bernard / dogs head ?
I'd think the Swiss gold authorities would have something to say about that as well ?

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

Current penalty in the UK - http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sent ... hallmarks/

Reference to historic penalties including death - http://www.argentinglesi.com/marchi-garanziaing.php

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