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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:58 pm 
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Just my attempt to lighten the mood, perhaps it is crude humor . You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


I think you have a little something on your nose :poke:

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MacApple wrote:
Just my attempt to lighten the mood, perhaps it is crude humor . You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


I think you have a little something on your nose :poke:



I'd say a whole mud pie, but you cant piss off a Mod , They can knock you out faster than a one time great, Mike Tyson punch. I like the site too much to be banned. :shock: :shock:

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I think you have a little something on your nose :poke:

Yeah, and it smells like Shi7.


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Based upon your reasons, you will never own a Rolex or a Panerai.

Rolex and Panerai don't need to discount because people will pay full list for them. Why? Because they have promoted and mangaged their brand to that degree. People who WANT those brands will PAY whatever the cost is to own one.

Breitling is not there yet. It must be very frustrating for Omega and Breitling to see Panerai come along as a player in the 2000's (I realize they've been around for YEARS, but not the force they are now) and SURPASS them in brand cache in less than a decade. How did they do this? By controlling production, not allowing discounts, and price increases.

IF there is a price increase, it's a good move for Breitling. Now they need to clean up their dealers and stop this nonsense discounting. If they want to turn Breitling into Rolex or Panerai, its a step they must take...



But the "no discount" isn't true in my experience and others on this site. Particularly if you are a customer of the store, but often even if not, you will get a discount. Maybe only 10% on a Rolex and 15% on a Panerai, but they can, and are, purchased every day at discount.

Most manufacturer contracts with distributors have a clause that the contracts between Distributors and dealers call for no discounts. But you are right that Rolex and Panerai distributors make a greater effort to strong arm the dealers than doBreitling or Omega. Still dealer discounts are available. No discounts on Rolex and Panerai is a myth. I know it for a fact.



I hate to harp on this, but here we go again. These "discounts" are all relative. Relationships and Location determine these discounts.

If you go into a Rolex AD in Orlando, off the street (cold customer no relationship) you will NOT get a discount on stainless Rolex sport model or A Panerai. You may get 5points off a two tone and 10 off a gold. Panerai. 0% off. Take it or leave it. Why? Because tourists will buy all they can take home. Why should the dealer sell at a discount when the next person in the door will pay full price and love it.

Guess what, there was an AD in Orlando that discounted Rolex. They are OUT OF BUSINESS. POOF. The dealer who doesn't discount, just opened a Rolex boutique in the same mall they have a full line store that also sells Rolex. Neither store has any stainless subs, GMTS or Milgauss in stock. All gone. Sold out. At full retail. While the store that used to discount is a label scar....

A dealer where I live had there account pulled for discounting. The other AD is absolutely full price and they are going strong. Why is that? The dealers know their market and their sales staff can overcome price objections and CLOSE. They offer great service and finace plans as carrots. They DON'T LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE. They stay in business. O

Now, could it be different in Iowa or Idaho? Sure. They might ease the price some because the market is lame, but that plays a huge role and should be mentioned in the same breath as "discounts are happening all the time"..


I live in Los Angeles, and can buy a stainless Rolex or a PAM at a discount from a dealer that I have no relationship with. Walking into the Panerai boutique on Rodeo Dr? Obviously there would be no discount. Big cities have a lot of ADs, and all it takes is a bit of homework. When I buy a car I do my homework, and when I buy a watch I do the same. Im nobody special (although my Mom would disagree) and if I buy from out of state its to save on sales tax, not because its the only way to get a good discount. In fact, now that I think about it, every watch ive bought from out of state has come from an AD in a big city.

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MacApple wrote:
You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


Hmmmm. I can't think of how I can respond to this..hmmmm... I better keep quiet...trying to play nice in the sandbox.

No matter how good a sales person is, if you're a good negotiator you can get a discount just about anywhere. Tell the AD what YOU want to pay and if he/she isn't willing to budge then be prepared to walk or call the next AD because someone else will. As RJ said, if you do your homework you won't have a problem finding your price.

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You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


Hmmmm. I can't think of how I can respond to this..hmmmm... I better keep quiet...trying to play nice in the sandbox.



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sharkman wrote:
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MacApple wrote:
You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


Hmmmm. I can't think of how I can respond to this..hmmmm... I better keep quiet...trying to play nice in the sandbox.



What are the giving you? Valium or Xanax?



My new years resolution is to stop blurting out the first thing that comes to mind...it gets me in trouble. With the way this thread is heading I might not keep that resolution for too long.

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mfserge wrote:
MacApple wrote:
You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


Hmmmm. I can't think of how I can respond to this..hmmmm... I better keep quiet...trying to play nice in the sandbox.

No matter how good a sales person is, if you're a good negotiator you can get a discount just about anywhere. Tell the AD what YOU want to pay and if he/she isn't willing to budge then be prepared to walk or call the next AD because someone else will. As RJ said, if you do your homework you won't have a problem finding your price.


Price Objections are among the easiest to overcome. That's where salespeople who follow an implemented sales process want you to be.

A properly trained and PRACTICED sales person who is compensated appropriately for guarding the stores profit will handle this situation quite easily....If you're demands are inconsistant with the AD's profit model they will walk you..especially if the watch is a "hot" model...There are other dealers who "think" they are making money who will give in to your price demands, but those guys will be a vacant store after awhile...

Breilting does NOTHING for their dealers in terms of sales training. That's why there is so much discounting....I'm sure they get plenty of product training, but they get zero sales training. That is a big problem in the industry.


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I could give a crap less if the dealer closes down from giving excessive discounts. There are plenty of others dealers out there. I dont care about the ADs profits, I care about getting the watch I want at the price I want. if discounting puts them in financial jeopardy then that's their problem not mine :!:

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Fleetlord wrote:
mfserge wrote:
MacApple wrote:
You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


Hmmmm. I can't think of how I can respond to this..hmmmm... I better keep quiet...trying to play nice in the sandbox.

No matter how good a sales person is, if you're a good negotiator you can get a discount just about anywhere. Tell the AD what YOU want to pay and if he/she isn't willing to budge then be prepared to walk or call the next AD because someone else will. As RJ said, if you do your homework you won't have a problem finding your price.


Price Objections are among the easiest to overcome. That's where salespeople who follow an implemented sales process want you to be.

A properly trained and PRACTICED sales person who is compensated appropriately for guarding the stores profit will handle this situation quite easily....If you're demands are inconsistant with the AD's profit model they will walk you..especially if the watch is a "hot" model...There are other dealers who "think" they are making money who will give in to your price demands, but those guys will be a vacant store after awhile...

Breilting does NOTHING for their dealers in terms of sales training. That's why there is so much discounting....I'm sure they get plenty of product training, but they get zero sales training. That is a big problem in the industry.






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Dave Moss: You -
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Dave Moss: Moss. You're such a hero, you're so rich, how come you're coming down here wasting your time with such a bunch of bums?
Blake: You see this watch? You see this watch?
Dave Moss: Yeah.
Blake: That watch costs more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a sh#t. Good father? F##k you! Go home and play with your kids. You wanna work here - close! You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you c##ks##ker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a sit? You don't like it, leave.

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Aaaah, another fun afternoon visiting the AD. :poke:

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sharkman wrote:
Blake: What's the problem, pal?
Dave Moss: You -
[correcting him]
Dave Moss: Moss. You're such a hero, you're so rich, how come you're coming down here wasting your time with such a bunch of bums?
Blake: You see this watch? You see this watch?
Dave Moss: Yeah.
Blake: That watch costs more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a sh#t. Good father? F##k you! Go home and play with your kids. You wanna work here - close! You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you c##ks##ker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a sit? You don't like it, leave.

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Aaaah, another fun afternoon visiting the AD. :poke:


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MacApple wrote:
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Just my attempt to lighten the mood, perhaps it is crude humor . You do a great job Roff ,and most goes without merit. I just want to say , you know your Shi7 ,and are a helluva Mod :lingsrock:


I think you have a little something on your nose :poke:



I'd say a whole mud pie, but you cant piss off a Mod , They can knock you out faster than a one time great, Mike Tyson punch. I like the site too much to be banned. :shock: :shock:


Don't worry, this ain't WUS. The Mods here are pretty easy going, just ask Sergio.

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Don't worry, this ain't WUS. The Mods here are pretty easy going, just ask Sergio.


VERY easy going. I should have been banned one day one I think. :nana:

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Don't worry, this ain't WUS. The Mods here are pretty easy going, just ask Sergio.


VERY easy going. I should have been banned one day one I think. :nana:


Yeah and now look, you own 2 friggin PAMs. :poke:

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