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Roffensian
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Micke23 wrote:
hm....the serial number on the machine is 568971 - 636507
then it would be made in 1945??


No, it's 1952. There was a different serial number list for chronographs and non chronographs.
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Interestingly if you look on page 154 of Richter's book under 2508/25 you'll see the description as 'Chronomat, round case, central second, turning bezel for calculating. Wow, a Chronomat that's not a chronograph. I'd say a pretty rare cookie. The movement I'd say is the Felsa 4000 which is also in the Breitling Unitime which is a very, very, similar watch but with a date capability. Here you can see what one of those went for:

This 2508/25 is probably rarer that the Unitime and the only one I've seen in watching Breitling's for about 13 years now. The fact that it has a special Swedish dial would really only increase the value to someone probably with Swedish roots but it's a very collectible piece for sure.


I'm not sure that Richter is quite right about the 2508 / 25 being a Chronomat. I understand completely why he says it, and it may simply be a semantics issue, but the only time only watches that were branded Chronomat as far as I know are from the 1970s.


Definitely a genuine time-only Chronomat and damn rare:

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And IMHO, double-name dials with the retailer's signature are always a good thing. See also: Tiffany, Cartier, Serpico y Laino, Meister, Gubelin, etc. :D

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Interesting find Tom.

Do you know when that ad dates from? Just wondering how long after 1942 the time only versions first appeared.
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Roffensian wrote:
Interesting find Tom.

Do you know when that ad dates from? Just wondering how long after 1942 the time only versions first appeared.


According to Gisbert Joseph, this ad dates from 1954. This makes some sense to me, as we can see both the old and new Breitling logos pictured. This is one of the ads that I have used to argue that there was a small crossover period of a year or two and not such an absolute strict cutoff date between the change from Breitling script to the Breilting B.
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Here are some better pictures of the dial, there is a difference in the index numbers and design.
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Great watch. I've never come across this style of Chronomat.

A few years ago Kurt posted an AVI with the same Swedish logo. I couldn't find any good pictures of it, here's a scan from an old article of his. Perhaps he will post some good quality pics.
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The crown is also reminiscent of the three crown logo that is used on Swedish military watches.

http://ninanet.net/watches/others10/Med ... niasw.html


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Micke23 wrote:
Here are some better pictures of the dial, there is a difference in the index numbers and design.
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What's the diameter on this baby?

Did I mention nice watch? :D

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Micke23 wrote:
Here are some better pictures of the dial, there is a difference in the index numbers and design.
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What's the diameter on this baby?

Did I mention nice watch? :D


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The diameter is 37mm, perfect size!
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I thought it would be smaller... usually the vintage stuff is... usually...

37mm is a good size indeed...

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Finally I had the movement checked up....
It´s a:
Felsa 690 caliber 25

The value according to the watchauction is anything between 2000 usd to 2800 usd, or even moore.

Any info on the movement?
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Micke23 wrote:
Any info on the movement?


690 is an important movement. It was the first automatic movement to wind the watch in both directions - until then when the rotor swung one way it would wind the mainspring but it would just swing freely in the other direction. Bi-directional winding was quite an achievement as it requires some fairly complex gearing between the rotor and the mainspring barrel. 690 was the second generation of the original Bidynator movement and was a 2 1/2 Hz (18,000 vph) movement. It first appeared around 1947.
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