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Author:  ade113 [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:59 am ]
Post subject:  Gone:Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Accurate fakes of early Chronomats are very rare but I'm pretty sure this might be one. What do you guys think?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BREITLING-Chr ... 1228504245

Watch is Valjoux 7750 based and date font looks okay. However:

- Fictitious ref number 51.397 ? (Early Chronomats should be ref 81.950)
- Crown and pushers are definitely fake
- Bezel is very poor quality, even allowing for wear and damage
- Bezel pearl looks off-centre
- No lume markers on dial so dial is refinish at least
- Font wrong on '30' rider tab
Author:  Roffensian [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Not sure. Agree with all of your assessments, but then look at this:

http://www.aedwatches.com/vmchk/Breitli ... ATICO.html
Author:  WatchFred [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
several more listings of that ref., but might be the same watch ?
http://www.watchespassion.com/scheda.asp?id=37336

dial on the ebay piece looks incorrectly restored, at least ?
but enough to report ?
Author:  Dracha [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
I hAve always regarded these as fake, mainly the bezel and ridertab engravings and off center lume dot that i dislike
Author:  ade113 [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Roffensian wrote:
Not sure. Agree with all of your assessments, but then look at this:

http://www.aedwatches.com/vmchk/Breitli ... ATICO.html


That one appears to have the same 26810 s/n as my OP watch!?

This one in Roff's link is also suspect, the logos on the dial and sec hand are wrong.
Author:  Roffensian [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
I don't know if 26810 is a serial though - wouldn't be the first one with two model references about this time. I'm sceptical, but if it's wrong then it's a very good fake for this period.
Author:  ade113 [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
I might report as nothing looks right on this apart from the date wheel. Even the case/back look wrong, case back looks slightly too small and the crown guards are not deep enough, 5min notches on inner bezel wrong, etc
Author:  WatchFred [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
whatever u decide, I'll join.
Author:  Sharkmouth [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Very odd. Found a reference to the watch with picture on another Italian site. Link here

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orologico.info%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D17821.0

Doesn't mean it's real but I can't be 100% sure it's fake so not reporting.
Author:  Dracha [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Sharkmouth wrote:
Very odd. Found a reference to the watch with picture on another Italian site. Link here

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orologico.info%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D17821.0

Doesn't mean it's real but I can't be 100% sure it's fake so not reporting.



I am still 100% sure its a fake
the copper (on the italian one) is even shining through the bezel

Image
Author:  ade113 [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
That close-up has the same flaws I noticed in the OP watch. I think I remember a rumour about a batch of Breitling fakes from Italy in the 1980s.
I am convinced these are fakes so reporting.
Author:  bnewbie [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Looks fake to me, at least heavily franken.
Author:  ade113 [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fake/Franken Chronomat ?
Back, so hopefully nobody has been conned yet:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BREITLING-Chr ... 19e61bd6a2

Re-reporting

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