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...after A little research, and communication with staff I closed the dispute, it was disputed for the wrong reason and should have been "Not as described" anyways.

So far from my communication with the seller it make me think that he really didn't send a watch in the package

he's not willing to help and in all his he's reply are just cursing me out

Now just let paypal decide the case.

There was no real packaging to it so I cant determine if it was or wasn't.
It seems as thought the seller reused an old box that had a pervious shipping label on it.

Therefore I cannot determine that.

I dont know either of you, but when you make comments like "Not going to start arguing again, its just a $3,300 Breitling," it certainly raises some suspicions in my mind.

Breit wrote:

I dont know either of you, but when you make comments like "Not going to start arguing again, its just a $3,300 Breitling," it certainly raises some suspicions in my mind.

Author:	Breit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Recently I made a purchase from this forum for a Breitling Chronomat Evo Limited Edition viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20239 Paid $3,300 Via Paypal. Long story short, Got a Breitling Box without the watch in it, at first I assume the seller was scamming me so I instantly made a dispute, after A little research, and communication with staff I closed the dispute, it was disputed for the wrong reason and should have been "Not as described" anyways. So far from my communication with the seller it make me think that he really didn't send a watch in the package, he refuses to start an investigation with UPS, he's not willing to help and in all his he's reply are just cursing me out ME : " Can we start an Investigation with UPS? Thanks" gliebig: "How about this. F* OFF and don't contact me again. Enjoy your watch ahole." Several PMs sent to start investigation without a reply. As advised by some members on this forum. Im sorry if i'm going to far but I am not going to wait another minute without having a dispute on this seller. He's rude and not willing to help resolve this issue! I dont think i'm going to win this dispute since he even did Signature confirmation and everything, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try. DO NOT DEAL WITH THE USER "gliebig" Thanks

Author:	gliebig [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
FYI, The ONLY way that there could be a dispute on this is if the package was tampered with during shipment, which would/should have been followed by a pm from the scammer, err, buyer stating that the box had been tampered and what we should do next. This is obviously not the case as nothing has been mentioned regarding that. You signed for, accepted the package then tried to reverse payment and get a free watch. I overnighted it per your request that you were going on a family trip. How was that trip? Must have been a short one since you are back on the forums so quickly. Now you expect me to help you? Not really sure what there is to do since you have a nice new shiny breitling on your wrist right now. Get real. I'm supposed to help a thief? Right. Keep trying bud.

Author:	Breit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Not going to start arguing again, its just a $3,300 breitling, I should have caught it since the price does seen pretty low for this model. I Didnt go on the trip due to this watch, I personally wasnt the one home to claim the package or I would have made sure everything was fine. Your trying to act all innocent, if you were really as you say a "Honest person" you would have tried to assist in this issue but no you just back off. Now just let paypal decide the case. Im not going to waste anymore time communicating with you either.

Author:	gliebig [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
There is nothing to "assist" with. $3300 is low? Wow. That's really strange since the best offer I had from more than a dozen people both on this board and timezone was $3250. You got a great deal then. Some would even call it a steal.

Author:	Breit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Check ebay ? Is there a Breitling Full SS under 3300? http://cgi.ebay.com/Breitling-Chronomat ... 3117wt_907 this is close, but Limited edition are alot more. Ive been after a BCE Limitied edtion, certain one for a while now and they stick to 5k.

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Author:	gliebig [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Good job. You posted an ebay item with no bids. I've never seen an overpriced item posted on ebay get zero bids at the asking price before. Amazing. Oh my god. I found one too. How come nobody has bid on this $2k SOP??? Maybe cause it's worth $900 tops? http://cgi.ebay.com/Breitling-SuperOcea ... 43a6ab2ab1

Author:	Breit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Ive sold the same watch in the paste for $750 I think... and fine you think your watch was cheap right? why didnt u list it lower.. Dude honestly, I give up. Im going to wait for paypals, then proceed. BUT I WILL GET MY MONEY BACK, Scammers like you probably have a record with paypal and I will ask them to investigate that.

Author:	46crew [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
I am completely neutral here, but is it possible someone jacked the watch before delivery? Case in point: when I was in Iraq in 2004, we had Marines get packages that had been pilfered. Yup, pilfered packages for guys in combat. Guys would tell me that their family sent an ipod or camera, and no shit, it was stolen out of the box. I'm sure you've already chased this rabbit down the hole, but I hope it's the case. That way, both of you are genuine and absolutely correct. Just sayin...

Author:	gliebig [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
That is not the case. If it were, don't you think somewhere in all these posts, the buyer would have mentioned that the package was tampered with? Maybe David Blaine works for UPS and magically removed the watch from the box? No worries anyway. Case closed.

Author:	Breit [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
There was no real packaging to it so I cant determine if it was or wasn't. It seems as thought the seller reused an old box that had a pervious shipping label on it. Therefore I cannot determine that.

Author:	JacksonStone [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Breit wrote: ...after A little research, and communication with staff I closed the dispute, it was disputed for the wrong reason and should have been "Not as described" anyways. This makes no sense to me. If you didn't receive the watch you paid for, it wasn't "not as described." It wasn't there at all. You claim to have gotten ripped off. That's the basis of the claim, and it doesn't make sense to cancel it until you get satisfaction. If the claim you made wasn't of the right type, cancel it and open a new one. Your best recourse is Paypal buyer protection. It makes no sense you wouldn't pursue that avenue to the fullest extent you can. Breit wrote: So far from my communication with the seller it make me think that he really didn't send a watch in the package Why would you think anything other than that if you received an empty box from him? Breit wrote: he's not willing to help and in all his he's reply are just cursing me out Frankly, I don't blame him. You initiated a claim without contact him first, and accused him of blatant thievery. If I'd sent the watch and you pulled that crap with me, I'd be cursing you out, too. If you dropped the claim against me, and I got the money for the watch I sent you, I wouldn't want you contacting me after that. Forget about starting up some kind of cooperative investigation via UPS. Breit wrote: Now just let paypal decide the case. Didn't you already close the claim with Paypal? Am I missing something, or are you changing your story with every sentence?

Author:	RJRJRJ [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
Breit wrote: There was no real packaging to it so I cant determine if it was or wasn't. It seems as thought the seller reused an old box that had a pervious shipping label on it. Therefore I cannot determine that. I dont know either of you, but when you make comments like "Not going to start arguing again, its just a $3,300 Breitling," it certainly raises some suspicions in my mind.

Author:	JacksonStone [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
RJRJRJ wrote: I dont know either of you, but when you make comments like "Not going to start arguing again, its just a $3,300 Breitling," it certainly raises some suspicions in my mind. I was going to include that, too, but I already had too much stuff in my post as it was. I don't know either of you guys, either, but one story here sounds credible. The other does not.

Author:	Breit [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
There is currently a Claim open atm. A staff was contacted before the dispute was ever open, Though I didn't open it for "Item not as described" before because I always thought transaction off ebay don't have buyer protection as long as they are delivered. When I contacted paypal they said it shouldn't be an Unauthorized charge claim but a Item not as described, she went ahead and changed it in there system. Thanks

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Author:	Breit [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Scammed by gliebig $$3,300
RJRJRJ wrote: Breit wrote: There was no real packaging to it so I cant determine if it was or wasn't. It seems as thought the seller reused an old box that had a pervious shipping label on it. Therefore I cannot determine that. I dont know either of you, but when you make comments like "Not going to start arguing again, its just a $3,300 Breitling," it certainly raises some suspicions in my mind. This is because im basically trying to say why would I try to scam you. If the box was for some reson tampered with I cant tell due to the fact it was shipped in used shipping boxes.