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I was contacted by a member yesterday after he read the comment in my Omega PO thread, and asked me if he should contact mfserge regarding a sale of his that he was thinking of pursuing, rather than do it by PM I have decided to simply put it out there.

I do not have reason to believe that he is a scammer, and he has multiple positive transactions and as such cant say he is after anyone's money, however I have found him to be rude, inconsiderate of other peoples time and quite a bit obnoxious actually.

He had actively persuaded me to sell a watch of mine, after some discussion and agreement I decide that it would be doable as there is something else that I might want to get. he doesn't ask about all aspects of the watch and when he finds out that it was a gray market watch he asks to pull out, fully understandable, I wish him good luck and we part ways.

He comes back at me again after I do the public sale post, this time with a different price quote, I reluctantly agree, he takes his time and then changes his mind again at the last moment, saying that he is too scared to do a wire. I am a little offended at the mistrust considering my track record, and at the fact that he could not have made that decision before contacting me and having me inform other prospective buyers, but again I decide to let it go and wish him luck on getting the watch from a source he is comfortable with.

Now here is where it gets really annoying, he comes back with one of his lower end watches with a ridiculous trade offer, I am frank now and I tell him that he has wasted a substantial amount of both of our time and that my public offer is not negotiable, especially by him. I am still trying to be civil, but it is difficult.

Now get this, he comes back at me again and says he will wire the amount the same day, even posts as such publicly in my sale post. he gets my wiring information, then stops communicating for a day, I check that he has read my PM but has not responded instead using his time to argue on the forum. I get suspicious (duh!) and PM him again, this time he uses a different excuse, he doesn't want to wire to the person I am buying the watch from. It has become abundantly clear to me that he has no intention of doing anything but waste my time, but I decide to follow it through and call him out on his time wasting, here is my response to him:

"Fine, I'll play, here is my own account info, I will transfer the funds myself:
(Account info)"

his response? here you go:

"This deal is off. Please don't PM me about it."

I will leave the conclusion to you, personally I would never deal with him again and will only ignore his messages from now on out, should have done that a long time ago. I wont say don't deal with him yourself, but I strongly suggest you don't take anything off the sales table based on his confirmation of purchase, and don't turn down another buyer for his offer.

Oh yeah, here is another fun little tidbit, he had also asked me on a separate message about the BS LE II, by this point I was suspect of his intentions but decided to direct him to the BS projects forum where the information he asked for was clearly located. His response:

"And by the way...thanks form replying to the LE pricing with 'look it up'. Too much trouble to quote me a price?"

Because you know, he is owed something I guess. The fact that I have spent many hours writing and organizing those threads not withstanding, I should summarize when he feels like it? based on his time wasting record?

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Certified watch nut.

I know that you're a well respected member of this community and I'm sorry that your transaction with mfserge didn't go well, but from the perspective of someone who bought a watch from mfserge I have to completely disagree. He was extremely good to work with, answered all of my questions immediately and was very understanding and patient with me. This was my first used watch purchase and he made me very comfortable with it. He was even very understanding when it took me almost a week to get him the money, I'm an idiot when it comes to paypal apparently. After that he still sent the watch out next day mail a couple of hours after receiving payment. I never once got a bad feeling when buying from him, he even took new pics to answer a questions I had about it within an hour. No time wasting at all.

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"Leave the gun, take the cannoli."

I have no doubt he would be very patient if he wants the deal to go through, and I will not make the assumption that he would dump you in a second if another buyer came along. But my post was clear, I have left the conclusion to the reader, the facts are stated in my initial post.

As I first said, I don't think he is a scammer, but he is either a deliberate troll or an inconsiderate time waster, who cant be held to a promise.

Again I have no issue with backing out of a deal, every one has that right! But when you (4 consecutive times) actually ask the person to turn down other offers then you are either deliberately trolling and wasting both your time and theirs as well as the prospective buyers or just cant be trusted to stand to your word.

In retrospect, it is as much my own fault as his for trusting him four times in a row. If you are going to take something out of it, I would say don't prioritize dealing with him over someone else.

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Certified watch nut.

I too disagree.

I made a purchase from him (mfserge) about a month ago and he was very patient, answered all my questions, and even held off on someone else's offers.


I personally think you going out of your way to slander someone with their own thread declaring they are a "major time waster" is worse then someone getting cold feet (even IF it did happen a cpl times) You really think he was doing it on purpose? maybe he was getting ahead of himself and then backed out...for some people (me included) making a big purchase isn't a snap of the finger...

You could have just as easy said OK I wont deal with this guy anymore and be done...BUT instead you wrote up this whole story that not many people care to read and complain about him..He didn't scam you or steal from you.

So this thread is pointless..

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Collection..
2013 Rolex DAY DATE II 18kYG + Champagne Dial.
2009 Breitling CHRONOMAT EVOLUTION - MOP Diamond Dial + Diamond Bezel.
2005 Rolex SUBMARINER 2Tone 18k/SS + Blue Dial.
1984 Rolex DATEJUST 2Tone 18k/SS+Black Sunburst Dial

You disagree that he wasted my time? or that the facts have been posted? or with the concept of drawing your own conclusions? Are you saying that people shouldn't share their experiences?

And when have I replied to any of "his own threads" ? I think you might be misinformed about the purpose of this thread and the facts.

As for your question if he did it on purpose, it actually did cross my mind, yes.

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Certified watch nut.

I think he disagreed with your opinion of mfserge, that was his conclusion and he shared his experience so your first couple of questions make no sense to me.

I think what he meant by "their own thread" was the fact that you created a thread to speak about your experience, on this point I disagree with E3E3, while I may not agree with your opinion the purpose of the feedback forum is to let others know about our experiences, but we shouldn't be surprised if others don't share our opinions.

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"Leave the gun, take the cannoli."

You knew of my trepidations with wiring funds, then you have the nerve to ask me to wire the funds to someone you're buying a watch from in Saudi Arabia?? You seem like an honest gentlemen, so I don't doubt your integrity, but do you have any clue the room for error when wiring the funds to SOMEONE ELSE??????????????????? Who I don't know, and I don't even know if you know? You said "wait I have a new bank account for you to send the funds to" then when I asked who's account it was you said 'it's someone i'm buying a watch from' That could be the most ridiclious request I have ever heard. I am completely shocked that you even suggested it, that's when I finally killed the deal and asked you NOT TO PM ME ANY LONGER. I felt something wasn't right here; I have no reason to believe you were trying to SCAM ME, but I don't trust another recipient to accept my $3,000 wire transfer other than yourself. Grey market watch was my first hesitation, wiring funds was my second hesitation because I have never done that before, then wiring funds to a total stranger was the last straw.

Oh....I Would love to see the PM's where I asked you to turn down other offers????? That couldn't be more further from the truth; I don't understand the need to embellish to make your story sound more believable.

I won't comment on this further.

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"I don't own any watches, I just lease them"

Oh boy, this is unfortunate all the way around and for both you fellas. Sorry it worked out as it did. I've bought a couple watches by wire transfer and sold several by PP.

Altair has helped me privately through PM on some matters unrelated to selling/buying and I've sold 3 watches to mfserge without an an issue. We also email each other about possible watch deals with others.

So no sides taken here - I know mfserge was drooling over getting the watch in question and Altairs's frustration is evident in this thread.

As for the whys and wherefores, the tits for tats, I wasn't there so I'll stay out. And really that isn't the point of my comment. Much more simple really - It's just a shame things don't work out sometimes, regardless of fault or reasons. Sincerely, sorry for both you guys.

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SHARKMAN

I‘ll chime in.

I tried in the past to buy something from MFSERGE and we ended up not coming to an agreement. I acted like a dickhead and pissed him off.

About a month later I posted a WTB for a Navitimer world and he pm’d me telling me that he had one for sale and that we should let by-gones be gy-gones. His watch was in great condition (even better than I expected upon receiving). He was very patient. In-fact… He held it for me for like 3 days because my paypal confirmed address was my old address (I just bought a house). He told me not to worry and that he would hold the watch for me. I really appreciated that.

All in all, the watch was perfect. We met at a very reasonable price. He went the extra mile to ship in and spent 44.00 bucks of his own money to make sure it got to me the next day (which was a Saturday!!!) and he was nice and quick-to-answer my questions when I had them.

I give him an A+.

Remember, it’s only sold once you have the money.

sounds like both sides need to squash it

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SA Blue Dial Silver Subs Pro 2

No, I'm not misinformed at all actually..nor am I "drawing my own conclusions".. thanks..


I disagree with the fact that you bashed someone (who doesn't deserve it) for no apparent reason....thats all.


I mean who the heck is gonna wire thousands of dollars to a unknown/3rd person in SAUDI ARABIA????
Unless you know the person on a real personal level then no one with a brain would do that.
OR they are asking to get ripped off.
(and to be honest Altair, I don't know you but I can tell you probably wouldn't rip anyone off so thats not what i'm saying)

And of course people should share their experiences. BUT the post you made would likely deter someone from dealing with him in the future
and I think thats wrong because myself along with many others know he is good to deal with, and would deal with him anytime.

Hey Altair I understand why you were frustrated, I'm sure we all do... All I was trying to say is I don't think creating this post against him was the right solution.


I got nothing against you or him. just throwing in my 2 cents.

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Collection..
2013 Rolex DAY DATE II 18kYG + Champagne Dial.
2009 Breitling CHRONOMAT EVOLUTION - MOP Diamond Dial + Diamond Bezel.
2005 Rolex SUBMARINER 2Tone 18k/SS + Blue Dial.
1984 Rolex DATEJUST 2Tone 18k/SS+Black Sunburst Dial

I'd like to say that mfserge is a truly standup guy on all accounts. We speak regularly and wether we're talking about life or watches, he's kind and respectful and always willing to offer me some advice or seek some. I wasn't there and certainly don't know all of the details but I do know that he tends to get a few "ribbings" here from time to time because of his outspoken nature and opinion which he is certainly entitled to and I'd hate to see his name smeared because of some miscommunication or misunderstandings between two gentlemen that are extremely respected and highly thought of on this forum as well as others. Serge is my man, one hundred grand and one hell of a professional when it comes to the watch business both buying and selling so I'd vouch for him any day on character as well as reliability!

Altair you too have given me some great advice and shared some information that was extremely beneficial to me and I thank you for that and hope to continue to interact with you. Your reputation here is that of a legend in most eyes so I'm sure you'll rise above whatever this is and continue to deliver the pics and reviews that we've all become accustomed to. I would hope that you wouldn't let this ruin any future dealings with a great guy that would be beneficial to you both. Your genuine love of timepieces should be more than enough to let the fences mend and allow you both to move on and put this all behind you.

I appreciate you both and value your knowledge and wisdom in the watch world!

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Breitlingfanatic30



Montbrillant Legende (Silver Dial)
Super Avenger (Black Dial with Baton Markers)
Bentley 6.75 (Silver Storm Dial)

Then all you have to do is check your sent folder.

I have stated my opinion of you and your behavior in my first post clearly, your money or my watches are ours to do with as we wish and i never expected an explanation or apology from you, but for you to actually try and accuse me of being rude and inconsiderate in your last PM? A little civility, honesty, and respect go along way, all three which I have found you lack. I have called you out on your behavior both in person and publicly, and I am done with you.

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Certified watch nut.

As stated earlier; I won't comment on this further nor will I participate this childish game with you.

And here is my last PM to you word for word.....don't know where you see a personal attack in it and honestly I do not care.

"This deal is off. Please don't PM me about it. And by the way...thanks form replying to the LE pricing with 'look it up'. Too much trouble to quote me a price?

Good luck with your sale."

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"I don't own any watches, I just lease them"