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ok guys my bloods boiling now and i feel that i should fill you in with the latest
after hundreds of calls trying to track anyone down who knew lee i managed to find a guy who "is some type of intrested party with lee" he spoke with me last week telling me that he was unware that lee was still away and that he would personally call me back that day after he contacted lee and that he would also personally put the money back into my account if needed!
i received no call back from him at all , but i did receive a call from lee stating that he was on the queen marry 2 with his wife to try and repair a few personal problems , lee told me that there was no phone signal on the ship , and im too take it that theres email access either (strange in this day & age ) he stated that he would be returning home this monday gone and he would contact me as soon as he got in, and that he would send the watch to me and i would get it by this thursday..........
its now wednesday and no call and i cant see ill be getting the watch within 24 hours either.
so i called his friend again, only to be told that he will be home today....... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have been given so many lies and a masive run around
lee talked his way out of it saying that he would send the watch along with all costs that i have had to out lay by finding him.
i have had several pm's from others(new and old clients) that are in the same boat as me(trying to make contact), this is no way to treat people let alone run a company.
i have had the two banks in australia and wales to recall the money which was drawn out from his account as soon as it hit it !!!!! and i have now given the fraud police both here and wales the go ahead with all the imformation i have found and all previous corespondance as after giving him the benifit for over a week enough is enough. both the banks and the police said i have every right to proceed with this and are now investagating the matter.

Good luck. This whole thing makes me irritable!

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Very disappointing indeed, and with every piece of information it's becoming harder to believe that there is a simple and reasonable explanation.

I hope that everyone involved gets their money back, or the product that they bought and paid for.

Incidentally, I believe that the Queen Mary 2 left Fort Lauderdale for a 10 day Caribbean cruise on January 3rd.

Bummer, (alleged) marital problems and (possibly) a failing business...

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Yes. Add (possible) fraud, (Potential) flight from prossecution and (alleged) embezzlement and it really looks unfortunate

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Super Avenger Black Baton Dial (2009)
Bentley B04 GMT Silver Dial (2013)
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Hello All Concerned. Firstly I offer my Sincere Apologies to Both of You, for this situation.
The timing of this was very unfortunate, and my lack of contact throughout was purely
down to my situation. I did send a message through ebay to Ken regarding this, as I did not have the
email access I needed whilst away. We have today spoken on my return home and I have scheduled the Fedex collection for tomorrow morning. The personal reason for my extended trip has been mentioned previously so I will not
go into that publically, but Ken and Tanya were both aware of it some days ago.
To my knowlege there are no other issues with other buyers with oustanding deliveries or issues, this is one unfortunate matter, which would not have happened had the money arrived by the Bank Transfer when both Ken and I expected. I do fully understand the Massive concern you have shown, and Really do Apologise, Im sure most on this forum that know me will agree, this isnt how I conduct business. How ever I cannot change the fact it has, but in the coming days I hope the watch will arrive safey & the rectification will begin.

Sincere Apologies Lee

Glad to hear that this looks like it is going to work out!

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Super Avenger Black Baton Dial (2009)
Bentley B04 GMT Silver Dial (2013)
Avenger Blacksteel Baton Dial (2014)

Just to clarify this.. are you saying that you have several pm's from others that can't contact him or several pm's from people that have paid and not received product? When you say the same boat, I would think that you meant people that have paid and not received product, not just no contact.

Lee has said that this had only affected two people, however if there are lots of new and old clients that have been frauded, this needs to be addressed. If not, the facts need to be clarified.



That information can't be disclosed to you or your banks so I'm not sure how you would know this. They can't tell you that the money was withdrawn, its not your account. Just like you can't call my bank and ask them if I made a withdrawal today. Its my personal information, not for you to know. If they did give out that information and I were Lee, I would be changing accounts right away.

However, if they were saying that the money was withdrawn from YOUR account, and you can't get it anymore, that is the most likely situation. I've done a lot of wire transfers, and usually that is how it works. Once the money is gone out of your account, its gone. Gone baby, Gone.

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There is only one issue, the people concerned are Tanya and Ken, its the same transaction.
Just reading back over some of the posts Tanya has made, on the 7th Jan " Its been weeks now " a little unfair as the money only arrive in my account as she states later in the post on the 2nd Jan is a little strong, though I still understand the issue. Please understand, Im only just over 24 hours late contacting Ken as promised, partly due to the time difference between UK and OZ and partly due to Cunard changing our flight home from Virgin to BA some 9 hours later without much notice. The issue will be 100 % satisfatory resolved, with Compensation to match so please read this post again after they have received the watch. Lee

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Lee I'm glad your going to rectify this but why give an address of a Recycling centre?

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Wow, what a mess and state of confusion, have read this now a few times just to get my head around it and it is an unfortunate mess that will no doubt resolve itself in the coming days.

I know Lee both personally and through business but don't think for one moment he comes out of this without a portion of blame.

I, like Lee, run an internet business, both on my own site and via Ebay, but when I go on holiday I put up holiday notices telling people when I will be back, this gives people bit of a peace of mind knowing when things will be dealt with, prevents the witch hunt being sent out before your return. Why Lee chose not too, not just for this instance but for all the other customers who have clogged his e mail account whilst he has been away, only Lee has the answer to that, in my opinion, not a wise decision but we are all different and run our lives differently, but we live by our decision and learn by our mistakes, I am sure Lee will think a little differently when he plans his next holiday. That said Lee did tell Tanya or Ken or both that he would be away until the 5th January.

During the transaction of the sale it is assumed that the money would be deposited into Lee's account before he went away on his holiday, first reference by Tanya states that the money was in his account on the 23rd December but this later changes to the 2nd January, quite a difference in timescales here and something that has quite a bearing on the situation. One deposit lands before Lee goes away, the other long after he has gone and almost at the end of his holiday. What I think has happened here and it happens alot, is the bank have pulled the money from the Buyer's account on the 23rd Dec and tell the customer the money has been sent, the Bank do not mention how long it will take to get there, it gets held in "Bank Limbo!" earning them a little extra interest, until it processes through clearing and lands in the Sellers account, with Christmas and New Year falling between these dates it is hardly surprising it took a while but the Banks do not want to appear to be greedy, they just tell you the Sender, the money is with the other Bank.

I do deals via my website, hate to swear here for you guys, but with Omega watches, where people say they will have a watch and you give them the bank details for a deposit and the money never lands in the account, it is more common than you would think, there maybe some here that yell, but I would never do that !! maybe but there are many that do. Now what is to say that this was no different, the money did not clear in Lee's account when the Buyer said it would, he's going on holiday, what would you do, I know the one thing I would not do and that is send the watch out on the word of the Buyer. At this stage how the communications broke down between the two only they really know that and it is not for us to speculate.

Lee's holiday got extended, reasons are what they are and really do not matter here, communication has been somewhat delayed and sketchy during this time but not what was expected and panic broke out, reasonable reason for it aswel, £6k is alot of money too lose and depending which side of the fence you where standing it did not look good and possibly good reason for the post on here to try and get some reassurances from others.

I think lessons have been learnt here from both sides, if you say your going to send money on a certain date, do it !! don't delay, or if you do delay let the other side know, especially in this case knowing of the holiday. Don't take everything the Banks tell you as gospel, robbing bunch of ba%&$rds, they paint themselves whiter than white but scratch away at the surface and it is a different picture. Be patient with the internet & e mails, we all do it, send an e mail and expect a reply within 5 minutes, sometimes it happens but not all the time and especially here with the timescales, UK - Oz - somewhere in an ocean scenario, an e mail can getfrom Oz to the UK almost instantly but that does not say it gets read as quick, be patient.

Both parties are know in touch with each other and I am sure that over the next couple of days the Buyers will get the watch and look back at this and maybe think they should have done things differently and I am sure Lee will be thinking the same. I am sure things will be back to normal in the next few days, let's hope so.

I think the film version of this will be released later in the year !!!! It will be a good one !!!

HI WAS VERY RELIEVED TO HEAR FROM LEE!,HOPEFULLY ALL LOOKS TO GOOD TO END ON A GOOD HIGH NOTE! CAN CONFIRM AS MENTIONED WHEN SAYING "OTHERS IN SAME BOAT"(NO CONTACT) MEANS EXACTLY THAT!,WILL KEEP YOU ALL INFORMED BUT I THINK EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PANIC AND THE CONFUSION WITH THE BANKS! I SEND MONEY AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK TO USA AND UK AND NEVER HAVE THEY TAKEN SO LONG TO PASS IT ON TO THE RECEIVING PARTY! I SENT IT ON THE 20TH AND 21ST DEC.BUT HERES HOPING ALL WILL BE GOOD NOW AND ONCE IVE GOT MY WATCH VIA LEE ILL BE HERE SINGING THE MANS PRAISES! THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HELP AND SUPPORT REGARDS KEN

tanya ...... kens wife here
unlike ken im not going to comment on this matter or lee until ( the fat lasy sings) as ive been taken down this road before. all i will say is that there were and isnt any confussions on our part ................................................
ken and i will put a post out to close this subject in due course.

once again thanks to everyones concerns, emails ,pm's and phone calls.

sounds like bad timing all around. Glad to hear that it's being addressed and should be resolved.