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Author:  mrcheatle [ Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Panerai Ferrari
Why are these model significantly less than the standard PAMs?
Author:  sharkman [ Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
Brand images, incompatible couple, shotgun wedding, overpriced for the product, terrible demand, and finally a divorce. In short, making a Ferrari branded Panerai for most Panerai enthusiasts was equivalent to making Breitling's with rubber bezels to most Breitling enthusiasts.

From Luxist 5/2010 -

"Almost from the beginning the watches could not sell. Consumers disapproved of them, and stores couldn't move them. The watches that probably averaged in the $10,000 range were notorious for losing value - it was almost a joke if someone bought one. The sad thing was that nothing was inherently wrong with the watches. It was just not enough for the money - not nearly enough"


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Author:  Dr J [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
I think they found a much better match with Hublot.
Author:  Driver8 [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
I remember once trying on a Ferrari Panerai that my then AD had taken in as a trade..... and it was actually a very nicely put together watch. There were some very nice touches on it, and all in all it was pretty good looking watch. The only problem was the STOOOOOPID Ferrari branding all over it!

For some reason the Ferrari/Panerai association just never worked as well as the Breitling/Bentley one.

Unless you really REALLY love the look of the Ferrari Panerai models, steer clear like the plague.
Author:  H2F [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
Yup, other than they were both of Italian origin, there is nothing remotely compatible between the two brands.

Unless you drive a Ferrari, or like throwing money down the drain, avoid!
Author:  mrcheatle [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
I was not interested, just curious.

Interesting though!
Author:  jlee5050 [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
These car company collabos are always a hit or miss. But AFAIK the Ferrari PAMs do not do well.
Author:  Scott [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
Switching brands probably did not help them either. Girard Perregaux did Ferrari watches before, with slightly more discreet designs.

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Author:  VicLeChic [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
H2F wrote:
Unless you drive a Ferrari, or like throwing money down the drain, avoid!


Exactly! Would make sense to wear one if you drive a Ferrari.

Same applies to the Breitling for Bentley watches. Ooops! What? What did I say? Wasn't me!
Author:  sharkman [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
VicLeChic wrote:
H2F wrote:
Unless you drive a Ferrari, or like throwing money down the drain, avoid!


Exactly! Would make sense to wear one if you drive a Ferrari.

Same applies to the Breitling for Bentley watches. Ooops! What? What did I say? Wasn't me!



In my personal opinion and as a guy who does not presently own B4B, that's not a fair comparison. The "Breitling for Bentley" is discreet on the dial and not a walking, flashy suggestion the wearer has a Ferrari in the garage, while the Panerai Ferrari does just the opposite -



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Someone who can afford the latter likely doesn't have a Ferrari and really doesn't want to walk around with a not so subtle indication that he does.
Author:  Driver8 [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
sharkman wrote:
VicLeChic wrote:
H2F wrote:
Unless you drive a Ferrari, or like throwing money down the drain, avoid!


Exactly! Would make sense to wear one if you drive a Ferrari.

Same applies to the Breitling for Bentley watches. Ooops! What? What did I say? Wasn't me!



In my personal opinion and as a guy who does not presently own B4B, that's not a fair comparison. The "Breitling for Bentley" is discreet on the dial and not a walking, flashy suggestion the wearer has a Ferrari in the garage, while the Panerai Ferrari does just the opposite -



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Someone who can afford the latter likely doesn't have a Ferrari and really doesn't want to walk around with a not so subtle indication that he does.

And as someone who DOES currently own two B4B's (and doesn't drive a Bentley), I heartly agree with Shark on this. :wink:

The "For Bentley" wording is very subtle (on a not overly subtle set of watches!), so to me it's neither here nor there whether they are perceived as having a Bentley association or not.
Author:  VicLeChic [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
Driver8 wrote:
sharkman wrote:


In my personal opinion and as a guy who does not presently own B4B, that's not a fair comparison. The "Breitling for Bentley" is discreet on the dial and not a walking, flashy suggestion the wearer has a Ferrari in the garage, while the Panerai Ferrari does just the opposite -

Someone who can afford the latter likely doesn't have a Ferrari and really doesn't want to walk around with a not so subtle indication that he does.

And as someone who DOES currently own two B4B's (and doesn't drive a Bentley), I heartly agree with Shark on this. :wink:

The "For Bentley" wording is very subtle (on a not overly subtle set of watches!), so to me it's neither here nor there whether they are perceived as having a Bentley association or not.


Bentley is undeniably more subtle and understated than Ferrari, I'll give you that. Not 100 % sure that the same philosophy applies when it comes to the B4B watch. A matter of taste I guess. Give me time, I'm new to the brand...
Author:  Roffensian [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
Yeah, nothing subtle and understated about a Complications 19 is there :roll:
Author:  RJRJRJ [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
People who buy a PAM are usually "in the know" and love having that little something special. The Ferrari aspect completely goes the opposite direction and turns the brand into a sort of too common "Rolex type"...(nothing wrong with that, since my Rollie is on my wrist as I type this). Just two different animals...
Author:  WatchFred [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Panerai Ferrari
all Mark VI are subtle and understated, Roff, especially the Comp. 19s - but do they fit in with the rest of the Bentley range ?
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