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| Author: | s15driftking [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....HELP |
Found a New-Old-stock Graham for sale in Spain from a vendor on chrono24. Says that they are a "trusted seller since 2011"... but i have no idea what that means. the model is 2OVAS.B01A.K10B (from 2005-ish)   Tell me: 1. is it real, the graham? I did find out that leather was an option. 2. How legit are "trusted sellers" on chrono24. HELP! The watch is reserved until noon tomorrow! time is of the essence! Bobby B!! |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Can't comment on whether it's real, but trusted seller is meaningless. From this thread - viewtopic.php?f=31&t=33472 "This seller is eligible for the Chrono24 Trusted Seller seal: This seller has been a member of Chrono24 for at least 3 months We have no knowledge about pending/unsolved disputes or complaints about this seller The sellers payment balance at Chrono24 is in good standing. Please note: Chrono24 will give no warranty about the quality of goods sold and bought through the site. Negotiation of all terms and conditions of a sale are the sole responsibility of the respective buyer and seller." So basically, you are a trusted seller if you have had an account for 3 months and paid the Chrono24 fees on time. |
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| Author: | s15driftking [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Yeah, the trusted seller only means that hes been on there for 3 months. I could technically be his first victim.. .you know? Would someone who knows chrono24 better let me send them the sellers link so they can oke around and give me hteir opinion? |
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| Author: | boogiebot [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
save your money and wait for something else. too many people get ripped off on the net. |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
would not see this quite as negative, as we have seen in the thread that Roff linked to, chrono24 is taking action against fraudulent sellers in a much more decisive way than ebay, they have lately been quite responsive in removing fakes and frankens and closed down Durners shop completely in the end, seller actually looks legit imho. So, "Trusted Seller" means nothing at all, but with paypal protection you would have rather limited risk here ? |
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| Author: | s15driftking [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Is that sarcasm? Does paypal protect you/me well? |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
no, not being sarcastic at all, paypal protection is quite heavily biased towards the buyer, a combination of paypal AND CC payments (which would allow a chargeback, though I never had to resort to this) actually protects you quite well. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
WatchFred wrote: no, not being sarcastic at all, paypal protection is quite heavily biased towards the buyer, a combination of paypal AND CC payments (which would allow a chargeback, though I never had to resort to this) actually protects you quite well.  Never understood the 'never buy online' mentality, I have bought plenty of things online without issue. It just takes care and research and taking sensible precautions. I've passed on some deals that seemed too good to be true, and some where the seller just didn't 'feel' right, but the only issues that I have ever had were customer service related with legitimate businesses. |
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| Author: | boogiebot [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Roffensian wrote: WatchFred wrote: no, not being sarcastic at all, paypal protection is quite heavily biased towards the buyer, a combination of paypal AND CC payments (which would allow a chargeback, though I never had to resort to this) actually protects you quite well. Never understood the 'never buy online' mentality, I have bought plenty of things online without issue. It just takes care and research and taking sensible precautions. I've passed on some deals that seemed too good to be true, and some where the seller just didn't 'feel' right, but the only issues that I have ever had were customer service related with legitimate businesses. Roff i think in your case you know alot more about idnetifying pieces that you like than the average person. most people (myself included for certain brands) have a hard time doing this. And you can get a pretty good deal at most AD's. obviously if the piece is preloved you score a better deal online from a good seller. but with the pics shown from this particular piece and the Op's lack of knowledge of the brand to me it just seems like more risk than its worth. JMO |
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| Author: | mr_october [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
This is supposed to be Graham chronofighter model 2OVAS.B01A.K10B. Judging from appearance, it looks good. (see attached pic). (but of course, I'm only talking appearance). Sal 
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| Author: | F14D_Tomcat [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Roffensian wrote: the only issues that I have ever had were customer service related with legitimate businesses. Like Zenith for example? |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
WatchFred wrote: a combination of paypal AND CC payments (which would allow a chargeback, though I never had to resort to this) actually protects you quite well. cannot emphasize that enough !! my apologies for the caps not just Paypal , but Paypal used WITH your credit card, DO not use direct deposit/withdrawl from your bank account gives you enough possible means to get your $$$ back It will cost you a little more as you pay with your CC but you will have the possibility to do a 'chargeback' (as Fred said) that your bank does not offer, and I even thing that some CC companies offer a 3 month warranty on purchases made with the card , but you would have to make inquiries with your CC company to see if that is correct or not |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Dracha wrote: WatchFred wrote: a combination of paypal AND CC payments (which would allow a chargeback, though I never had to resort to this) actually protects you quite well. cannot emphasize that enough !! not just Paypal , but Paypal used WITH you credit card gives you enough possible means to get your $$$ back Well, maybe it is only us vintage guys who just not have the option to talk to a local AD and get a decent price for a current model, good service and perfect security. Imagine us being restricted to our home towns .... |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Fred, just imagine being able to walk into the local AD , saying "I'll have 1 Navi with the V72 mvmnt, 1 moonphase split second, a Datora , 1 all black AVI with digital 15 min counter and a Unitime from each era.. Oh ! almost forgot, I'll take 2 rattrapante's" walking out with perfect authentic pieces at 'normal' prices... Vintage collecting would never be the same and I would find something else to do with my time.. like sailing the world in a 50ft yacht 
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this Graham Real? AND, a question about Chrono24....H |
Rene, it would eliminate everything we cherish, searching, hunting, learning, the lucky wins of beautiful pieces, the disappointments, helping other collectors, teaching and being taught, even some quite realistic ROI potential. I would hate it - walk into a store and just pick up that 1958 SuperOcean chrono. Sorry guys for hijacking this thread for some vintage ramblings, but back to the thread subject - I have bought more than 500 pieces online, 499 of them from foreign countries - there were disappontments and some troubles, but not one paypal case that I did not win and got refunded. |
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