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Is this something you worry about?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:51 pm 
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In cRaSiAn1030's "Absurd Idea" thread, Count Duckula proposed the idea that wearing a high-end watch will get you abducted.

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Just one more thing I have to tell. I don't know where you live, but I think that the "where" doesn't matter.
If u care of your family, buy a nice watch but not that expensive. What would happen if someone kidnaps you to get money thinking that you are a rich boy?
How would your family feel if that person kills you because he don't believe that your family doesn't have a millon dollars when their 16 or 17 years old son is wearing a 10k watch?
It's up to you.
That's one of the many reasons why I'm now using a g-shock.


I've been having an exchange on this via PMs, which I'll post later. Do the rest of you worry about being abducted, robbed, or otherwise accosted as you go about your business, because you wear a nice watch?

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I've been having an exchange on this via PMs, which I'll post later. Do the rest of you worry about being abducted, robbed, or otherwise accosted as you go about your business, because you wear a nice watch?

You post whatever you want and I'm really tired of you.

I told you on private message that the abduction and robbery was an example of bad things that could happen.
And told many times that the probability of a TEENAGER being robbed wearing an expensive watch is higher than a 30 years old man.

For those who have sons, will you let your 16 years old buy and wear a 10k watch? And why not?

I said in the last pm post ALL the messages, not only the part you want.
Come on.
And stop bothering people with the same question every time.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:09 pm 
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CountDuckula wrote:
And told many times that the probability of a TEENAGER being robbed wearing an expensive watch is higher than a 30 years old man.


What's your evidence for this statement, and the watch being a factor in it?

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And stop bothering people with the same question every time.


I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've asked this question on this forum. Check my posting history; I dunno, maybe I did post a topic on this before and forgot about it.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:16 pm 
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Stop bothering people with the same question = me. You're asking me the same thing on pm with other words.

Come on, you told me on pm that you gonna post all the pms like if I'm scared of... post all the messages mine and yours, and let the others decide.
If you're not going to do that, don't play like a baby doing this stupid things.
It really make me sad...
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The only question I've asked you more than once is variations on "How do you know that?", which you haven't even come close to answering.

I'm hoping to get some legitimate conversation out of this thread. I'm of the opinion that a long list of copied PMs up front will deter others from posting here. So I'll save those for later.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:21 pm 
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P.S. We are here to share our opinions, our experiences and for giving an advice that I think I was doing the right thing to a 16 years old kid you make all this shit, like mserge who I really respected... attacking me.
As I said on pm I wish I could write english like you do to explain better all the things, to understand all

That's all... have fun with me.
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I'll bite. My first post on this forum.

First, the poll: No because I live in a safe country and I leave my watch at home if I'm going to be traveling to a land known for lawlessness. Given the level of unrest in Argentina throughout the 20th century, I can appreciate CountDuckula's perspective. There are certain places in the world where it is 100% safe to wear a $10k watch and there are places in the world where you will attract unwanted attention. In general, if the city or country you are visiting is known to harbor gangs that are allowed to run rampant due to an inadequate or corrupt police force, leave the watch behind. If this city is known for its thieves (e.g. Rome), wear something with a bracelet and very secure clasp.

As for the idea that a 16 year old wearing a nice watch is more likely to be kidnapped than a 30 year old wearing a nice watch...well if ransom is the order of the day, I think teenagers are a more desirable kidnapping target with or without the nice watch. It would be difficult to isolate the watch effect in teenage kidnapping statistics, so I doubt they exist. Since lucrative kidnappings are unlikely to be random, wealthy families are likely to be targeted regardless of what the children are wearing on their wrist. I'm a gang leader and I'm scouting two equally wealthy families, ceteris paribus I will choose the family with the bling'ed out teenage son - the Breitling is a dependable and stylish watch.


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I always thought it would be a cool idea if I had fake version of my watch to wear when I go somewhere that's not safe...that way I can just give it away if something happens and go back to the real one sitting at home! :D


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As for myself, I'm not worried that someone is gonna abduct me because I have a nice watch on. Now to the original response, I probably wouldn't want my 16 year old wearing a $10k watch for a couple of reasons, mostly because I think it a retarded idea for a kid to have a $10k watch no matter how much money he saved or how much money I may have, but I never thought of him being kidnapped because of it.

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This could happen to anyone wearing anything, I saw someone get robbed for a nice pair of nike's here in NYC. Doesn't matter if you are wearing a 10k watch, honestly people who rob people would not know the difference anyways. Unless perhaps it was a Rolex or if it was all gold, but you could be wearing a fake of a 100k watch and they would not know.

This is such a pointless topic and irrelevant on all counts.

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I would like to call the boards attentioon to a rerun of Law & Order SVU that was on USA the other night....I young fella had been passed his fathers gold Rolex after he died, and although his mother warned him not to wear it out of the house......

Well sure enough a junkie robbed and killed him just based on seeing his gold watch. Well if you are like me and know that everything on television is fact, then yes you should be affraid.....Be very afraid.

In all seriousness, in this day and age there is no such thing as worrying too much about something like this bc for every smart ass forum memeber wanting to bust your chops about a hypothetical question there is someone who has been killed over much less.

And anyways....this is all fun and games guys. No need to get all pissy about it


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You are more likely to get robbed wearing a $200 fake "gold" Rolex than most $10K pieces out there no one even recognizes. I would wear my JLC MCC2, IWC 7 Day, or Breguet anywhere. I mean anywhere.

Fact is, the once small desert hamlet in which I reside now has one of the largest gang populations in the country. Phoenix? Gangs in Phoenix? Hell yes. I keep my eyes open, but other than that, I just don't worry about it. If I become a victim of violence, it is more likley to be a stray bullet from a situation I wasn't even involved in. If I become a victim of crime, it is most likely to be a home invasion when I'm not home. Or a stolen car.

It's prudent to take reasonable precautions, but if I have to walk around in fear and moderate my attire everywhere I go, I might as well move to a cave in Utah.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:16 am 
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sharkman wrote:
I might as well move to a cave in Utah.



I bet jadanf can put you in touch with a realtor out there in Utah.

Friendly blondes and lots of mountain sports is what I imagine. Plus the whole polygamy thing which could be the best/worst idea ever. If you think your wife is bad....I have 5. That is a lot of jars to open


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I hope someone can translate this to tell my point of view because my english sucks and sometimes it's difficult even with google translator because I speak argentinian spanish, not neutral spanish.
And I'm really tired of Palantas and mfserge.

Nunca dije que no compre un reloj de diez mil dolares, tampoco dije que el iba a ser secuestrado por usar un reloj caro.
Las cosas que dije son por lo que pasa en este mundo, ya sea en paises ricos o pobres. Todo es posible. No estoy siendo paranoico. Así como nunca critiqué a nadie por haber comprado un reloj lujoso o caro.
Pero para qué va a necesitar un niño de 16 años un reloj de diez mil dolares? Porque lo quiere? Yo en mi juventud quise tantas cosas caras, pero siempre tuve alguien para decirme "no, no lo compres, no vale la pena a tu edad"
Decir que porque este niño de 16 años vive en tal lado y por eso no hay problema es alentar a este individuo a hacer una compra innecesaria para su edad.
Dije que a un niño con un reloj lujoso las probabilidades de que le roben es mas alto, acaso por no ser un rolex alguien no se va a dar cuenta de que es un reloj caro? No sean ridiculos. Tan ingenuos piensan que son los ladrones?
Lo del secuestro o robo fue un ejemplo de lo que puede pasar, es una triste realidad. Pero no lo dije para espantarlo, sino para que disminuya las probabilidades de que algo malo le pase. Está mal eso?
Tan seguro es el pais en que vive?
Algunos me dijeron que es muy poco probable que pase eso en su pais. Pues veo las cosas que pasan y no son tan diferentes del pais en donde vivo.
Piensan que como Argentina es un pais de sudamerica acá roban en todos lados? Pues no es así.
Palantas dice que cien mil personas eran las desaparecidas en un año en Estados Unidos según estadísticas del FBI. Bien, esas cien mil personas por mas bajo que sea el porcentaje a comparación de la población total de su pais es un hecho.
Les cuento que en Argentina la cantidad de secuestrados es de una cada 48 horas, lo que equivale a 178 por año y la población total asciende a mas de 40 millones. En pocas palabras en mi pais también es muy baja la probabilidad de que pase eso. Les sorprende eso?
Nadie vive en un pais perfecto, siempre hay fallas. Ya sea por la mala administración del gobierno o por la corrupción política que lleva a que algunos desafortunados lleve a cometer crimenes.
Me encanta ver documentales, de discovery o history channel y generalmente son documentales sobre Estados Unidos. Las carceles están repletas. Veo los crimines que se cometen en ese pais y no difiere tanto del mio aunque si admito que hay menos si comparamos la población total de ambos paises y la cantidad de crimenes.
A ustedes nunca le dijeron sus padres que en los dias de tormenta no estén debajo de un arbol porque la probabilidad de que un rayo los alcance es mas alta? Pues la probabilidad de que un rayo les alcance justo en el arbol en que están es muy remota.
Entonces para que se molestan los padres en decirnos eso? No sería absurdo?
Es esa la razón por la que le di el ejemplo del secuestro. Para que entienda que tiene mas probabilidades de que algo malo le pase eso a un niño de 16, 17 o 18 años que a una persona adulta.
Si no saben reconocer eso, están cometiendo un grave error diciendo que está bien que un niño se compre un reloj lujoso. Algo que no creo que nadie le permita si fuese su hijo. Sea cual sea el motivo.
Decir que es maduro porque tiene la meta de comprar un reloj en un par de años... en un par de años tendría 17, 18 o 19. Para mi no tiene nada de maduro eso. Su padre debería haberle dicho que no lo haga. Que piense en divertirse o en cosas mas acordes para su edad.
Que busque un buen trabajo, que se compre una casa y si le sobra dinero mas adelante, haga lo que quiera.


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CountDuckula wrote:
I hope someone can translate this to tell my point of view because my english sucks and sometimes it's difficult even with google translator because I speak argentinian spanish, not neutral spanish.
And I'm really tired of Palantas and mfserge.

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Leave me out of this dude. I posted one comment on your statement of being robbed because of wearing an expensive watch. I stand by my point in that it doesn't matter what you're wearing, you can be a victim of crime at any given time no matter whats on your wrist, feet, or around your neck. If you disagree with that, then that's fine, we can debate that like adults, but there is no need to call me out for no reason.

By the way...I never 'attacked' you. I stated my opinion that I disagree with your connection between wearing an expensive watch and being kidnapped. If you lost respect for me for stating my opinion then I'm sorry, but it's how I feel and judging by the results of this poll, a lot of people also feel the same way.

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