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I can understand the perception issues that Rolex has in the eyes of some WIS folks - i.e. as the post above says, a lot of people who know very little about watches think that Rolex is the best watch brand in the world and obviously therefore the first choice in terms of what they buy when they come into a bit of money.

It's also no secret that I'm not a fan of some of Rolex's practises such as restricting supply of watches to keep the illusion of rarity (despite being one of the most prolific watch makers in the world) and thereby keep the prices high, etc.

However, once you accept that they are often seen as "the overly obvious choice", and that they have very successfully cultivated an image that other brands would kill for, it's actually very hard to fault their watches. The simple fact is, they make very very good watches, and provided you like the style, it's hard to understand why any WIS wouldn't want to own one at some point.

The designs rarely alienate existing owners due to their tectonic-plate-movement speed of evolution, and their faultless brand strength and perception means they attract new fans by the truckload, all keen to buy into the kudos.

Additionally though, the image is more than backed up by quality of the product. Superb fit and finish, in-house movements (that have been around for years and are very stable and reliable), and pretty much in-house everything else too..... they even make their own sapphire crystals.

I've owned one Rolex myself and only sold it because it had the horrible tin-foil bracelet of yesteryear. If it wasn't for that I'd definitely still own it as I buy watches for me, and not for impressing others. They may not be the absolutely pinnacle of watch-making that a lot of non-WIS think they are, but they are extremely hard to fault. As long as you like the styles, Rolex are something of a no-brainer in the market they operate in.



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Absolutely. Perfectly stated.

I notice that my Breitlings get more attention and comments in general, but when somebody realizes im wearing a Rolex they seem far more impressed than they are with the B's.

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IMO i think that a Ling is way more of an attention grabber than Rolex. Most Breitling are nice bright and shiny. Where as a Rolex looks like a 20 dollar watch to most people except another WIS or watch enthusiast.


Seems true and supposed to agree but however proven untrue in my case. In the first place people will not turn their attention to a brand that they do not know about. The only circumstances when people will think you are showing off and trying to grab attention is when you either wear a full gold or diamond watch(I mean not fake ones), and unfortunately, it applies to Rolex in many cases too. I think the person wearing it also have a part to play, if the person's character is known to be the "show off" kind, then obviously when he puts on a Rolex, people will feel that he is trying to show off. I have came across many "like to show off" people wearing Rolex to seek attention, but however I have never come across anyone of such character wearing a watch from other brands(including Breitling) to do so because how to show off when not many would know about yr watch brand? Many cheap watches can also be blingy in design and but even though it might capture people's attention initially for a few sec, they will not take a 2nd look because it's not a high end brand that they know about. I have a guy in my company(obviously the show off kind) bought himself a full Gold Rolex watch with diamonds... Why did he not purchase a gold watch of another brand since Rolex is not the highest end in Horology? He is no watch enthusiast and I believe he was just setting his mind of getting a brand that people know about so as to show his wealth. Therefore, like it or not, Rolex is attention grabbing, even though the watch might look cheap, the logo is enough to grab people's attention. And IMO Rolex is not really that down tone as the design is.. I have come across many cases where Rolexs get noticed on people's wrist by others even though the design is down toned. I think the reason is due to the finishing of the bracelet and non-AR coating on the case that when the hand is moved the "light reflection" caused by the watch actually caused it to "bling" sometimes and captures attention that will make people want to peep at the logo on yr watch to see what you are wearing. Sorry if I sound stupid because my attention have been captured this way before. It can apply to other luxury watches as well but as mentioned, once they cannot identify the logo on yr watch, they will not take a 2nd look as they might think that yr watch is not a high end one. actually if yr Rolex watch looks real plain and simple, this might even work against yr intention of not wanting to get attention. Because for people who do not know about watches, when they see that you are wearing Rolex but design so plain and simple, they do not understand the value behind it and might think that you are simply trying to show off, but yet "stupid" to pay a few thousand dollars just to get a recognised brand that looks "cheap" and "old fashioned" and "not value for money". Some might even feel that you want to show off but have tight budget so got no choice but to go along with a cheaper one. This is not my personal opinion but common comments that I have experienced.

Breitling on the other hand, have different comments from the mass, for some who have heard about Breitling but not a watch enthusiast, when they knew that I bought a Breitling, would commonly ask, "why didn't u buy Rolex?" When they are in turn asked why, they would say because it's recognized, the value will "go up" so it's an "investment", other watches don't... Again some might feel that people who buy Breitlings are stupid because we could have bought Rolex and get better recognition.

Anyway, I believe everyone in this forum wear watches for ourselves and not for others so who cares what others think. IMO if we do not want "attention" how we behave in front of others plays a bigger role. But Erm....sorry if u are wearing a full gold or diamond watch, you can never avoid attention... :nana: not from robbers at least :mrgreen:

All the above pretty much sums up my point that Rolex is good in a way that it meets the needs of almost any type of people. From "wanting to show off", to "wanting to get a high quality watch but doesn't want something blingy", Blar Blar Blar ...... Whatever the intention might be, Rolex has projected that strange charisma among the mass, no unique and outstanding designs, no decorative or see through casebacks, all the models look roughly the same as if the variety is very limited, looks down toned but does "blings", using that "no identity as their identity" classic image. Their designs are classic among the classic, super safe and never different, so that it doesn't polarize opinions. As mentioned in above posts, they have taken the lead many years ago to imprint the brand and image in people's mind, way before other brands...so it's hard to replace them now...


Lots of assumptions here. First off you really have no idea why your colleague bought the watch. You are just assuming that he purchased a gold Rolex because he wants to show off. And even if thats the case why does it bother you?? So what if people buy a watch for its name? It doesnt seem to make sense why this gets under your skin so much. To be honest I use to feel like this when I first got into watches. I use to say the same silly things that you are saying. Things like:

"people who know nothing about watches buy a Rolex'

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"Rolex is a brand for thats just a name"

At one point I was just a Rolex hater. For no real valid reason at all. I simply let the fact that they produce so many watches and they were so mainstream turn me off from the actual brand. What a mistake. I have owned 5 breitlings in the last 2 years from a SA, 2 b4b GT's b4b motors T and a chronomat evo. I can say that out of all the Lings that I have owned that from a subtle/wearability standpoint, nothing compares to the subs that I own.

Youre really letting your judgement of how other people view Rolex turn you off from the brand. I am not saying to you that you need to love Rolex or that you have to own one. To each their own we all buy what we want when we want. Its just your love to shit all over Rolex is getting boring.

Maybe you should go on to TRF and ask the guys on there what they know about the brand,,,,,,you might actually learn a thing or two. Go outside and smell the fresh air. It might be better then living in the bubble. :lol:



I think u didn't read my post entirely...

First of all, I definitely know my collegue more than you do, so I bet with my life that he buys a Rolex to show off because he is a known show-off to everyone. But then, I think you are mistaken that I am bothered by it, I am not and why should I be? Posting it doesn't mean that I am bothered. I was sharing some observations that I noticed on the ground, NOT COMPLAINING... 8) :lol: and it is no assumption but truth of the truth that a person who knows nothing about watches but wanna own a luxury watch likely will buy a Rolex. After all nobody will throw a few thousand dollars to buy a brand that he doesn't know about to prevent from getting "cheated". It doesn't mean that the person is stupid or making a wrong decision, it just simply means that Rolex is successful with their brand that for people who wanna get a luxury watch, normally "Rolex" is the first that comes to their mind. Another life example was told by my tour guide, he came across a Chinese walking into an AD last year asking for the "most expensive ROLEX watch", and when presented, he asked the staff if that was the best and the most expensive ROLEX, and when answered yes, he just bought it...wow tell me that he is not buying a watch to show off? and why didn't he ask for a PP? so all my points in the above posts are based on life experiences and comments that I came across, that was why I mentioned that they are not my personal opinions and NOT ASSUMPTIONS. I bring them up not to show that all Rolex owners have no substance, but to show that how Rolex managed to attract people like that too. I definitely love a LING more than Rolex, but I have never never mentioned that I hate Rolex in my post above. I am not a Rolex lover but I am no hater, instead I intend to add a Sub to my collection in future but it will be after I get some others of higher priority to me...My points above was to bring out how Rolex managed to attract different types of people who wanna get luxury watches for different kinds of reason as the topic was, "what's so good about Rolex"...I did mention that some buy a Rolex to show off, but I didn't say all Rolex owners buy a Rolex show off. But if a person wishes to buy a watch to show off, it has got to be Rolex. Therefore I was in a way praising Rolex for being successful to attract the mass. So relax...

There is one point that I must say though is that forget about being downtone if you want to wear a Rolex. Rolex is attention grabbing, even if it's never yr intention to do so... Why because it is "recognized" !. Yet again, in my above post, I have mentioned that everyone in this forum wear watches for ourselves and not others, so who cares? So once again...Relax... I know you are not showing off....

U mentioned that none of the LINGS can match yr Subs from wearability standpoint, I think it's simply because yr Sub is smaller and lighter? Not really to do with the design IMO. Bigger watches definitely cause more weight on the hands.

Anyway even though u have totally misinterpreted my post, it's nice to have some "heated debate" so as to bring out different views on Rolex. But this is a good topic so hope that you can refrain from being over bothered if someone happens to not love Rolex so much...Before u start replying and screaming that you are not bothered, I just say in advance first that I know you are not bothered and why should you be? I am just preventing this "heated debate" from "losing control" in future and causing this wonderful thread to be locked. In the first place, I have been agreeing from the start that Rolex watches are good but not really better than the other brands IMO because it is just a matter of personal preferences when choosing watches. But Rolex as a company is indeed more successful than any other watch company.

I do salute your super passionate love for yr Sub that you seem to "stand up" for Rolex whenever there is a slightest comment that is not so positive on Rolex.... People who doesn't love Rolex are not necessarily living in the bubble but it's because as you mentioned, to each their own...hope that you can start accepting a fact and not assumption that many but unfortunately not all, love Rolex...once again relax...Rolex is successful and their watches are good, that's a true fact that no post or comment can change. But I standby my point that Rolex watches are in no way better than other watches of other brands. All are good in their own ways.

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to be honest im not really "passionate about Rolex". I like them but there are other watches that I like as well too.

The only reason I ever comment on your postings is the fact that you seem to always comment about how people who buy Rolex either like to show off or know nothing about watches. You seem to rant and rave about the same things over and over.

if you were to give some arguments as to why the 3135 movement is outdated or issues you see with design flaws in the case or even the subtleties of PCL vs brushed bracelets, i probably wouldnt say anything. i dont care if you blast Rolex for design flaws or issues. its just hearing you talk about the same thing over and over and over again is starting to wear thin.


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to be honest im not really "passionate about Rolex". I like them but there are other watches that I like as well too.

The only reason I ever comment on your postings is the fact that you seem to always comment about how people who buy Rolex either like to show off or know nothing about watches. You seem to rant and rave about the same things over and over.

if you were to give some arguments as to why the 3135 movement is outdated or issues you see with design flaws in the case or even the subtleties of PCL vs brushed bracelets, i probably wouldnt say anything. i dont care if you blast Rolex for design flaws or issues. its just hearing you talk about the same thing over and over and over again is starting to wear thin.


Again u didn't read my post properly. I comment about people wearing Rolex to show off is just one of my points to show how Rolex manage to appeal to different people getting luxury watches for different reasons so as to answer the topic, "what's so good about Rolex" . Also it's to disagree with yr previous post of saying that a Breitling attracts more attention than a Rolex...that was how the "show off" experiences came into my post to show that my point that Rolex is more attention grabbing. Why Rolex attracts people who knows about watches is already a no brainer so there's no need to discuss much. It does not mean that I am bothered or disagree with people wanting to show off and buys a Rolex even if they know nothing about watches. In fact, if my watch attracts attention, that is a positive sign to me, because when a watch attracts attention it can mean that it is aesthetically pleasing. You do seem bothered by a mere comment that some people buy Rolex to show off, as if you are super worried about people thinking that you are that kind of person. Anyway, to each their own, no worries even if you are that kind of person. If you think that I kept harping on this(although I don't think so) and feel irritated, then the best way is not to read. Once again, as long as we are all happy with our watches, why bother?

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It has become very clear that English is not your fist language. That said I can now see where you are getting confused.

I am not bothered by your views on rolex. It's simply that you keep saying the same thing about how people who buy Rolex typically like to show off. I am pretty sure that most of us here understand this is your view. But you keep echoing this in every Rolex thread that comes up. We get it.... You don't like the fact that some people buy Rolex's to show off. Big deal.

Like I said if you were to find something else to discuss about the brand that could and would spark some new life to the conversations that would be cool. If not your viewpoint has been well documented by the essays you have written in this topic.

NEWSFLASH - all bsource members user chronomat01le does not like the fact some people buy a Rolex to (cough cough) "show off"

Thanks for all the educational info you have shared with our community.


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I thought a FIST language is what Chuck Norris uses. :wink: :lol:



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It has become very clear that English is not your fist language. That said I can now see where you are getting confused.

I am not bothered by your views on rolex. It's simply that you keep saying the same thing about how people who buy Rolex typically like to show off. I am pretty sure that most of us here understand this is your view. But you keep echoing this in every Rolex thread that comes up. We get it.... You don't like the fact that some people buy Rolex's to show off. Big deal.

Like I said if you were to find something else to discuss about the brand that could and would spark some new life to the conversations that would be cool. If not your viewpoint has been well documented by the essays you have written in this topic.

NEWSFLASH - all bsource members user chronomat01le does not like the fact some people buy a Rolex to (cough cough) "show off"

Thanks for all the educational info you have shared with our community.


It's funny that u said you are not bothered but trying very hard to twist my words(despite repeated verifications) so that you can label me a Rolex hater and have all Rolex lovers on yr side. It's like having some weird chips on yr shoulder(Sorry I quoted your phrase because English is not my FIST :mrgreen: language). I am rather flattered that despite my poor English, a few words from me could actually draw such strong emotions from you. I decided to reply to yr post one more time because of yr sincerity as you have given me the honor of reading my posts and spending time to type out replies. It's not easy(sincerely)...But I have sensed that you are starting to lose yr cool and will stop replying to yr post from now on because you have started a personal attack instead of using yr views to debate my points which has deviated away from the topic in this thread. It's a regret that you did not learn yr lesson from the previous case. This is a wonderful thread as I have learnt a couple of things on Rolex in some of the above posts so I do not want this thread to be locked. Again thks for reading my "essays" or though you didn't interpret them correctly...looking forward to learn more things in this thread... out...

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It has become very clear that English is not your fist language. That said I can now see where you are getting confused.

I am not bothered by your views on rolex. It's simply that you keep saying the same thing about how people who buy Rolex typically like to show off. I am pretty sure that most of us here understand this is your view. But you keep echoing this in every Rolex thread that comes up. We get it.... You don't like the fact that some people buy Rolex's to show off. Big deal.

Like I said if you were to find something else to discuss about the brand that could and would spark some new life to the conversations that would be cool. If not your viewpoint has been well documented by the essays you have written in this topic.

NEWSFLASH - all bsource members user chronomat01le does not like the fact some people buy a Rolex to (cough cough) "show off"

Thanks for all the educational info you have shared with our community.


It's funny that u said you are not bothered but trying very hard to twist my words(despite repeated verifications) so that you can label me a Rolex hater and have all Rolex lovers on yr side. It's like having some weird chips on yr shoulder(Sorry I quoted your phrase because English is not my FIST :mrgreen: language). I am rather flattered that despite my poor English, a few words from me could actually draw such strong emotions from you. I decided to reply to yr post one more time because of yr sincerity as you have given me the honor of reading my posts and spending time to type out replies. It's not easy(sincerely)...But I have sensed that you are starting to lose yr cool and will stop replying to yr post from now on because you have started a personal attack instead of using yr views to debate my points which has deviated away from the topic in this thread. It's a regret that you did not learn yr lesson from the previous case. This is a wonderful thread as I have learnt a couple of things on Rolex in some of the above posts so I do not want this thread to be locked. Again thks for reading my "essays" or though you didn't interpret them correctly...looking forward to learn more things in this thread... out...



no chips on my shoulder mate. i welcome the critiques on any brand. I just find it strange that you feel the need to quantify why someone makes a purchase. what difference does it make that an individual purchases a watch due to perception or status? why does this bother you so much? its baffling to me. does an individual really need to know the structure of a movement or the brands history to validate purchasing the watch??

if its a question on education or knowledge about the brand, just because you have read articles on the internet and can regurgitate what you have read in the corporate brochure does not make your breitling purchase any more validated then a person who buys a Rolex with no real knowledge about the company. It simply means that you have read the brochure provided to you from the Authorized dealer.


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Annnnnd...

Just finished reading this highly interesting thread while changing my watch for the day to my GMT IIc. :nana:

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Beautiful watch Andrew! I was pretty close to pulling the trigger the other day on one. Love the PCL on it!!!!


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Beautiful watch Andrew! I was pretty close to pulling the trigger the other day on one. Love the PCL on it!!!!


Thanks Adrian! You should've! Or trade me your Hulk for mine... :wink: :poke: :nana:

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