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Were talking watches here people, relax :roll: No need to get all defensive.

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Saying Louis Vuitton makes bad watches is so stupid I won't even go into it. Do some research before you make a statement.


If you didn't own one, perhaps your response would have been tempered a little?

I am wondering (not that I doubt Altair, although his stance on Tag is a little harsh IMO) what he thinks is so bad about LV. Also would like to understand what is so bad about Tag, since it's essentially the same movement (sans a few mods) Breitling uses in their stuff.


For one thing LV do not take care of their customers. My brother and a friend both have LV's that lost a significant amount of time, and they sent them back a number of times and they are still problematic. The finish on an LV is not very good either. Breitling heavely modify their ETA movements, LV is a fashion house that caters to the luxury fashion crowd rather than the watch enthusiast, thats fine for most people but the brand just annoys me to no end.

Don't know about researching the brand, tried to google their movements and could not find any refrences, just bag blogs and the such. If you have better googling skills perhaps you can enlighten us with some links :D

As far as Tag, well their over marketed, over produced, and over priced for what they are.

A watch is a very personal thing, what you find apealing might not be so attractive to the next person. Look at Breitlings for instance, although I think most of us agree we like them, one person might love the 6.75 but find the Motors too busy, and vice versa. To a non watch person they probably look the same. More so Panerai, since they have the same case, yet people have very strong feelings about the 111 VS 112. It's all very personal.

Hey don't let my utter hatred for LV discourage you (Sorry but I would rather wear an Oris), if you like them more power to you, and you should not care what others say. Tons of people bash Panerai and Breitling, and I still love them just the same :lingsrock: :love: :panerai

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Were talking watches here people, relax :roll: No need to get all defensive.

peezie wrote:
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Saying Louis Vuitton makes bad watches is so stupid I won't even go into it. Do some research before you make a statement.


If you didn't own one, perhaps your response would have been tempered a little?

I am wondering (not that I doubt Altair, although his stance on Tag is a little harsh IMO) what he thinks is so bad about LV. Also would like to understand what is so bad about Tag, since it's essentially the same movement (sans a few mods) Breitling uses in their stuff.


For one thing LV do not take care of their customers. My brother and a friend both have LV's that lost a significant amount of time, and they sent them back a number of times and they are still problematic. The finish on an LV is not very good either. Breitling heavely modify their ETA movements, LV is a fashion house that caters to the luxury fashion crowd rather than the watch enthusiast, thats fine for most people but the brand just annoys me to no end.

Don't know about researching the brand, tried to google their movements and could not find any refrences, just bag blogs and the such. If you have better googling skills perhaps you can enlighten us with some links :D

As far as Tag, well their over marketed, over produced, and over priced for what they are.

A watch is a very personal thing, what you find apealing might not be so attractive to the next person. Look at Breitlings for instance, although I think most of us agree we like them, one person might love the 6.75 but find the Motors too busy, and vice versa. To a non watch person they probably look the same. More so Panerai, since they have the same case, yet people have very strong feelings about the 111 VS 112. It's all very personal.

Hey don't let my utter hatred for LV discourage you (Sorry but I would rather wear an Oris), if you like them more power to you, and you should not care what others say. Tons of people bash Panerai and Breitling, and I still love them just the same :lingsrock: :love: :panerai



I was invited to the launch of the LV Tambour series in the store in Antwerp. During this VIP-event the history of how this watch came to be was presented to us by a very impressive presentation. Why they are not just a fashion house that caters to the luxury fashion crowd rather than the watch enthusiast was explained very thoroughly and in short mentioned by me in my earlier answer. You are right that there is not much to find on Google about it. The finish on a LV Diver is superb so I do not know what LV you inspected but it could not have been a Diver. Like I said, my Panerai is less accurate than my LV Tambour but I do not start categorizing them as one of the worst watch brands. If your brother and friend were not treated right that sucks but is still no reason to tarnish the whole brand. There are a lot of guys here that are not so wild about Breitlings customer care...

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Saying Louis Vuitton makes bad watches is so stupid I won't even go into it. Do some research before you make a statement.

If you didn't own one, perhaps your response would have been tempered a little?
I am wondering (not that I doubt Altair, although his stance on Tag is a little harsh IMO) what he thinks is so bad about LV. Also would like to understand what is so bad about Tag, since it's essentially the same movement (sans a few mods) Breitling uses in their stuff.


Not in the least. I have a Panerai and have no trouble saying it is the least accurate of my 'collection'. The Vuitton Tambour Diver is one of the most accurate of them all and it really is made to a very high standard for a very reasonable price. They started a complete new watch factory and lured away a lot of skilled personel from other famous Swiss watchmakers. It's not difficult to do some research behind an item or brand before trashing it.


I suppose it's a matter of timelines then. Altair probably had a bad experience prior to LV luring these people in.

Or, he's making an assumption based on marketing and perception, hence the Tag comment.

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Not to mention that this thread is about OPINIONS, and everyone is entitled to their own OPINION, and of course everyone else is entitled to try and convince the others that their OPINION is better.

In the end, these are just all OPINIONS, and if we didn't have different OPINIONS we'd all have the same watch on right now. :)

There is one thing we can all agree on tho.. :lingsrock:

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Not to mention that this thread is about OPINIONS, and everyone is entitled to their own OPINION, and of course everyone else is entitled to try and convince the others that their OPINION is better.

In the end, these are just all OPINIONS, and if we didn't have different OPINIONS we'd all have the same watch on right now. :)

There is one thing we can all agree on tho.. :lingsrock:


Yep. I just think it's amusing when people take such offense to another person's opinion about a mere bauble they have strapped to their arm.

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peezie wrote:
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Not to mention that this thread is about OPINIONS, and everyone is entitled to their own OPINION, and of course everyone else is entitled to try and convince the others that their OPINION is better.

In the end, these are just all OPINIONS, and if we didn't have different OPINIONS we'd all have the same watch on right now. :)

There is one thing we can all agree on tho.. :lingsrock:


Yep. I just think it's amusing when people take such offense to another person's opinion about a mere bauble they have strapped to their arm.

Bauble??? BAUBLE??? Right that does it! I'm going to have to get extremely hot under the collar about that comment!!


Joke! :poke: Just kidding guys! :D

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peezie wrote:
breitlingsource wrote:
Not to mention that this thread is about OPINIONS, and everyone is entitled to their own OPINION, and of course everyone else is entitled to try and convince the others that their OPINION is better.

In the end, these are just all OPINIONS, and if we didn't have different OPINIONS we'd all have the same watch on right now. :)

There is one thing we can all agree on tho.. :lingsrock:


Yep. I just think it's amusing when people take such offense to another person's opinion about a mere bauble they have strapped to their arm.

Bauble??? BAUBLE??? Right that does it! I'm going to have to get extremely hot under the collar about that comment!!


Joke! :poke: Just kidding guys! :D


If it's a LV it's just a bauble :nana:

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I agree with Bonedoc... Bulova bites. I bought one as my first attempt at a better watch (as a teenager)... spent $300. Battery had to be changed every 6 months for 2 years before it quit entirely...
As for TAG, at least there is some interesting history behind them, and pretty cool attempts at innovation here and there...

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You know, guys, it's great we're in a position to have such strong
opinions about the virtues and vices of this or that watch brand.
What I mean is, those of you who are old enough, cast your minds
back thirty years to a time when our beloved mechanical timepieces
were on the verge of extinction, thanks to the worldwide invasion of
those quartz monstrosities. :x

Somehow the mechanical watch survived and prospered, to the utter
joy of every enthusiast. So whenever I see a mechanical watch,
no matter how ugly, how gaudy, how cheap or expensive, on somebody's
wrist, I give a silent prayer of thanks -- thanks that we're in a position
to have such a wide selection to choose from. That's all. End of sermon. :)

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Well said Steve.

So many people take a mechanical watch for granted without appreciating the history and knowing just how close the industry came to being wiped out.


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Well I have my dad's Bulova and it's been sitting in a box in the drawer for about a decade. I took it out the other day to see about getting the band fixed (the watch is 195x or so). I just now wound it up for the first time since then and it started right up. I put it on, it's a bit small for my large wrists but it has a nice feel to it. Is it worth much, likely not, is it very pretty, eh. Does it feel good on my wrist, Yeap. I like it.

And as someone said one mans gold is another mans dross. Like my MG why would I sink 40K into an MG when I could have bought a Lotus. I like the look of the B and Breitling starts with B so hey a match.

I've got cheap and I've got expensive and I wear them based on what I'm doing and where I'm going. Is there any that truly suck? eh just a bunch that are waaay over priced and ugly to boot.

So many of the Patek and IWC watches remind me of a Timex that I just can't look at them without wanting to fall over laughing when I see the price. I just don't care for the way they look and I don't care if they are quality or not. They just don't have, I don't know they just don't reach out a grab me and say take me home.

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Well I am not a fan of Louise Vitton, to much like footballers wives for me! But hey, each to his own And looking at some of the clothes I wear I do not think I would be invited too soon onto any style awards ceremony! :shock: :roll:

This is reason why I rarely venture onto the open section of any forum, this is the place I come to for fun, away from the big bad world. Have a great day all and just remember all of these things are just that, things, in the great scheme of things they mean little if nothing really, health, love and happiness is where it is really at :love: :tard: :woohoo:

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Rolex and Patek Philippe for me, both make seriously ugly and over rated watches. I can't think of any model of either brand that I like.

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Stefan Tapp wrote:
Rolex and Patek Philippe for me, both make seriously ugly and over rated watches. I can't think of any model of either brand that I like.

Stef


well youre certainly entitled to your opinion, and 'ugly' is definitely a personal taste thing but...overrated? really? im not a fan of rolex either but youd have a hard time convincing any watch enthusiast that their designs arent iconic. as far as patek goes, calatrava series watches are pretty much the definition of classic, i dont know how you could ever call it overrated.


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Wow, Driver called it on this one! That said, I couldn't help but wade in for a second.... Gotta defend a couple of my pieces.

I've got a Patek and love it because it's a family heirloom. It will have been in my family for a century next year, so I'm biased on this. Wouldn't buy one myself because of a) price and b) gold. Not a gold watch person, it's just not my style. But to say that Patek is ugly seems a bit strong. They make very expensive pieces, but they also make watches that do things that are totally unique in mechanical timepieces. That deserves some credit. As someone said, the Calatrava is essentially the classic look, and I agree with that.

For Rolex, yeah the image thing can be a problem. It's an incredibly well known brand. I equate the marketing to what's happened with Guinness in the last decade. With all the hats, shirts, St. Patricks Day signs, etc, you'd think Ireland was founded when the Guinness brewery opened. It's all just P.R. in the end, and some companies are very good at making their brand names part of the collective consciousness. Rolex did that, and their brand image is known worldwide. Love 'em or hate 'em, you know who they are. In my case, would I buy another Rolex? Maybe. Doubt I'd go full retail price on one, but they make some very durable pieces that I think are attractive. Heck, I wish more companies would use the 904L stainless that Rolex makes their cases with. It's a heck of a lot less prone to dings and scratches than the 316L that's used by basically everyone else.

In the end, if the hands fall off or it can't keep accurate time, a watch isn't worth much. In mechanical watches, you're balancing between style, functionality, and reliability. There are a lot of ways to tell the time more accurately than a mechanical watch can, but we wear and love them anyway. Any watch that fails on one of the three criteria is done in my book.

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