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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:58 am 
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Tomcat - I was under the impression Hublot's version does everything the orignial did only with the addition of the time.

Edit: Either way it's still an awesome piece.

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This is a tough one. I can think of four ways to go off the top of my head, and I'm sticking with what I know.

My AP Royal Oak Jumbo is truly something special, and it had better be as I am really grumpy about how its chunk of the watch budget limits my ability to own much else. I like variety. But the AP is unique in that I appreciate it more over my short ownership than when I bought it. Instead of buyer remorse or familiarity, there is buyer discovery. It's an amazing piece.

My first nice watch was a Rolex GMT, which I would rank instantly over a Sub. I don't dive, but I do travel, and the GMT has that covered. For just over $100, you can change the bezel, and the look of your watch within minutes. Yes, the hollow links sucked, the solid ends weren't that much better, but I only understood the difference after wearing a lot of higher-end pieces. If you're coming up from, say, a Seiko, you don't notice. My GMT was also the product of a final conversation with my mother before she passed, and on the personal side of things that takes it. But I'm looking a little larger in criteria here.

I am privileged to say that I have owned a Breguet. As much as I enjoy my AP, Breguet is different to me. It is a testament to history, innovation and craftsmanship that dates back to its namesake, considered probably the most important of all the watchmakers. My XXI was an inexpensive model for Breguet, which makes it special in and of itself. A rather pedestrian piece for them, it still provided joy of the tactile feel of winding a watch that I have never experienced anywhere else. Not AP, not JLC, not Rolex, not VC, I think the Blancpain I tried on was pretty good, but simply winding the thing was a guilty pleasure and an ode to those who truly care. While apropos of nothing, I know of no rap song singing the praises of a Breguet and I doubt I will. Even AP is subject to that now. Breguet is in a different place. I was never more self-conscious about what I wore, protecting it like it was a museum piece. And mine cost more than a Rolex but not much more, and much less than my AP. If that dial wasn't brown and I wasn't so self-conscious about it I'd have never let it go.

I just celebrated my 24th wedding anniversary. In year two, we had bought our first home and were pinching pennies like crazy. I had a dying quartz Casio watch and saw in the window a nice Seiko quartz with a Rolex Thunderbird-type bezel. I wanted it, but it cost $125. For all that we had put into the house it was a lot of money. My wife found a way to do it anyway, giving me the best Christmas gift she ever gave me. I don't wear it much now but I have it, and it runs as faultlessly as ever. Important personally but as a methaphor as well, because I was absolutely not alone. Talk about sacrilege with the Sub, but here we really go: The Seiko quartz brought accuracy in timekeeping to the masses, and has done so for decades. For watch lovers, the Sub/GMT may be the greatest watch but on a larger scale, probably the most important watch in modern times is the Seiko quartz. Nevermind that it also nearly killed most of the swiss watch industry.


So which one? Head says Breguet--I'm a watch nut, and it still holds a place in that part of my brain which it won't let go. My tastes are now clearly more for my AP, but again, to me any Breguet is more than the piece of metal. Heart says GMT with the Seiko not far behind. Funny, because by far the most comfortable watch I have owned, with perfect balance for me, was another Rolex, my Yachtmaster. Head and heart together actually lean to the Seiko. Nah, greatest one now is my AP but greatest one ever is the GMT.

Nice post Scott! :thumbsup: That's the kind of insight I was hoping to see!

Quite a range we have so far - from the ancient (Roff's superb pocket watch), through the mainstream-ish (my Ploprof and the Rolie Sub), right to the amazing, but totally unobtainable, Antikythera.

Come on people - there must be more of you with a watch (or wanting that watch) that just ticks every single box! :D Or maybe you're all still looking for it!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:29 am 
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I can't even begin to answer this question. It's like trying to nail down my favorite car ever, which is equally as impossible.

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bozman52 wrote:
I can't even begin to answer this question. It's like trying to nail down my favorite car ever, which is equally as impossible.

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I'm still thinking Driver... :lol: this one is super tough.

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Well, what the sub is to many, the GMT is to me.

However, it wasn't my first great watch. That place is forever to be held by the Navitimer. For all my childhood I have dreamed of such a watch and when I finally came to get one, it was more beautiful than ever to me... Never mind the don't meet your heroes thing. I hold it most dear and thus, wear it far too little. It's sheer magnificence enchants me to a point where I'm too cautious to use it daily.

And that's why I suppose the greatest watch ever would have to be something else. Something that pairs the magnificence I see in the Navi's dial to the day to day loyalty of a Rolex tool watch (Sub/GMT/Explorer II, depending on taste).

That is where I'd almost join Scott and JAH in naming the AP RO as the ultimate great one. I just can't quite get that one's song out of my head... If only it didn't wear so small on my wrist (40mm with some proper height really is the smallest I can get away with) and the AP doesn't give me that... Especially at a pricepoint I wouldn't want to compromise at.

Which leaves but one, the ultimate unobtainable watch (except there are two ready for pickup at my AD of choice !?!?!?)

I nominate, the steel Daytona, black dial.

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I can hear the groaning already, but someone has to say it:

The greatest watch ever made has to be a Sub. (Not the best, but the greatest.)

Yeah, I know, there are a gazillion of them out there, but there are reasons for that: iconic design, built like a tank, lasts forever, and it's a luxury watch that's affordable. The vast majority of the human race simply can't or won't afford a PP, AP, Lange, etc., but if one wants it bad enough, a Sub is within reach.

By golly, there's one on my wrist right this moment! :mrgreen:

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I am going to agree based upon the criteria you expressed. Certainly on a pure amazing factor, the Sub does not compare to a VC Patrimony Chrono Perpetual, but that is a 6 figure watch and who do you know who will ever own one?

Yep, all things considered, I'll take the Sub, hands down.


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I'm gonna have to go with the Sub C, since it's still in the honeymoon phase. :) Looks great on any wrist, in any attire. :)

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Okay so I've made up my mind...

Omega Speedmaster Pro.

Of course there were countless variations but I'm talking about the moon watch. Rugged. Durable. Manual wind with one of the most iconic (IMO) and reliable movements ever made. If it was good enough for NASA and the gang, it's good enough for me. This of course was an era before my time, but I've always had a fascination with this watch. I've always wanted one but haven't been able to pull the trigger yet. And I am sooo gonna get that velcro strap. :mrgreen:

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I haven't been here for a while, but recently, I have re-ignited my passion for watches partially fueled by a bit of disposable income that needs a home. I think the perfect watch for me is a watch that I have already owned. Any watch that has piqued my curiosity or stirred something inside me I have managed to buy at some point, and more than likely sold. 2 years ago, while going through some major changes in my life, I was forced to liquidate my collection of favorites. Some of these included the DSSD, Ploprof, Pam 328, CA, POC, Speedy, and a few more I can't remember. Now 2 years later, I have some money again and the first watch I bought again was a Speedy Moonwatch. Second watch was a POC 9300, a decision I struggled with as the money was earmarked for a DSSD. I decided against the DSSD due to no AR coating, and sub-standard lume quality at that price. The DSSD is simply too reflective at any angle. With better lume and double AR, it could be a contder for the perfect watch. Onwards... Then last night, the third watch appeared on TZ... I have bought another Ploprof. Speedy, POC 9300, Ploprof... All these watches are worthy contenders of my "perfect watch" and all have made a lasting impression on me that made me re-buy them.

So to narrow it down, I think I can drop the Speedy off the list based on size and lack of date. This leaves the POC 9300 and Ploprof.
The POC 9300 is essentially a perfect sport watch. Amazing wrist presence, wonderfully clear dial, first rate fit and finish, and an in-house movement. The ONLY thing I would change is to add a micro-adjustable clasp to the stunning bracelet.
The PLOROF is pure bad-ass tool watch goodness. If you have never seen one in the flesh, then you are missing 1/2 the allure. This watch does something to me that I cant describe. To most non-wis people, it is big, ugly and silly. But to me, it made my heart race the first time I saw it. In fact, the first time I saw it in person, I left with it in a fancy jewellery store bag. I cant stop staring at it when its on my wrist, again the clarity is amazing, the case and finish perfect. The bracelet is sublime, and the clasp is an engineering work of functional art. But here comes the struggle... as much as I LOVE the watch, there are times when I'm embarassed to wear it. I feel like people look at me like a poser, or a dork because I'm wearing this huge brick of SS on my wrist. They dont get it, and perhaps I cant blame them. It is definitley beyond most peoples understanding and appreciation. Whereas the POC 9300 looks the business in any attire, and has solicited many compliments in the short time I've owned it. People get it, it is beautiful regardless of your horological tastes. I never hesitate to wear it, and I dont have to think about the crowd I'll be around before putting it on. So there's the struggle. The Ploprof represents the wild girl with unique beauty, crazy, passionate, and makes your pulse race, yet embarasses you once in a while and makes people question why you are with her. The POC 9300 is the classic beauty, smart, sophisticated yet sporty, you can take her anywhere and your parents love her. The perfect girl... but you keep thinking about Ploprof and her wild personality. How to choose... I'm not sure i can right now. Luckily in the watch world, I can have both. In the matrimonial world... not (except Utah).

Once I get the Ploprof on my wrist again for a few weeks, I'll circle back to this thread and see if I can break the tie. But for now, I'm in love with two girls.

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Good to see you back Mark. One of those watches looks familiar!


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Thanks Roff! Yes, you know her well.

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What's funny is that my perfect watch is not one I own, but could easily. All my watches were targets of opportunity, and this watch hasn't come to me yet. Mine would be an ExII polar white before the latest model. Being a communications guy in the military I live in two different time zones at work. Now that I spend most of my time in the office, it would be appropriate. I prefer dive and sport watches. So, this watch would fit the bill best I think. Unless there is something better out there that I don't know about.

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The PLOROF is pure bad-ass tool watch goodness. If you have never seen one in the flesh, then you are missing 1/2 the allure. This watch does something to me that I cant describe. To most non-wis people, it is big, ugly and silly. But to me, it made my heart race the first time I saw it. In fact, the first time I saw it in person, I left with it in a fancy jewellery store bag. I cant stop staring at it when its on my wrist, again the clarity is amazing, the case and finish perfect. The bracelet is sublime, and the clasp is an engineering work of functional art. But here comes the struggle... as much as I LOVE the watch, there are times when I'm embarassed to wear it. I feel like people look at me like a poser, or a dork because I'm wearing this huge brick of SS on my wrist. They dont get it, and perhaps I cant blame them. It is definitley beyond most peoples understanding and appreciation. Whereas the POC 9300 looks the business in any attire, and has solicited many compliments in the short time I've owned it. People get it, it is beautiful regardless of your horological tastes. I never hesitate to wear it, and I dont have to think about the crowd I'll be around before putting it on. So there's the struggle. The Ploprof represents the wild girl with unique beauty, crazy, passionate, and makes your pulse race, yet embarasses you once in a while and makes people question why you are with her.

Good to see you back again Mark, and also good to see you are still loving the Ploprof.... well 90% of the time! :wink:

I pleased to say I've never once had any of the negative feelings with the Ploprof though. It fits me perfectly, so I never feel it's too big for my wrist, and as a result I never have any negative comments. (And even if I did I wouldn't care anyway 'cause the Ploprof's got too much of a place in my heart to give other people's opinions a second thought! :thumbsup: )

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The PLOROF is pure bad-ass tool watch goodness. If you have never seen one in the flesh, then you are missing 1/2 the allure. This watch does something to me that I cant describe. To most non-wis people, it is big, ugly and silly. But to me, it made my heart race the first time I saw it. In fact, the first time I saw it in person, I left with it in a fancy jewellery store bag. I cant stop staring at it when its on my wrist, again the clarity is amazing, the case and finish perfect. The bracelet is sublime, and the clasp is an engineering work of functional art. But here comes the struggle... as much as I LOVE the watch, there are times when I'm embarassed to wear it. I feel like people look at me like a poser, or a dork because I'm wearing this huge brick of SS on my wrist. They dont get it, and perhaps I cant blame them. It is definitley beyond most peoples understanding and appreciation. Whereas the POC 9300 looks the business in any attire, and has solicited many compliments in the short time I've owned it. People get it, it is beautiful regardless of your horological tastes. I never hesitate to wear it, and I dont have to think about the crowd I'll be around before putting it on. So there's the struggle. The Ploprof represents the wild girl with unique beauty, crazy, passionate, and makes your pulse race, yet embarasses you once in a while and makes people question why you are with her.

Good to see you back again Mark, and also good to see you are still loving the Ploprof.... well 90% of the time! :wink:

I pleased to say I've never once had any of the negative feelings with the Ploprof though. It fits me perfectly, so I never feel it's too big for my wrist, and as a result I never have any negative comments. (And even if I did I wouldn't care anyway 'cause the Ploprof's got too much of a place in my heart to give other people's opinions a second thought! :thumbsup: )


Hey Driver, thanks mate. Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. The Ploprof isn't too big for me, in fact I think I wear it well, as I'm 5"9" and 220lbs, built like a brick sh*thouse as they say. I have never had any "negative" comments on the Ploprof, but just the feeling that people are looking at it with a sort of amazement. The Ploprof is certainly not intended for mass-market appeal. Comments are always polite, like "wow, thats a big watch", or "thats a hunk of steel there"... but never "oooh thats a beautiful watch" like I get from the POC 9300. Maybe its mostly in my head. Either way, I'm counting the minutes till the Ploprof "round 2" arrives.

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Whilst i don't disagree with a lot of what's been said on this thread - esp' around the AP RO - i feel that you're being very self centric.

Personally, the greatest watch of all time for me is something that all can embrase, wear, use and enjoy. Now whilst i'm a Rolex boy, I feel that you cannot ask this question without mentioning the original Rolex DataJust. Its been around since Noah made the Ark, has defined the Rolex brand with its Fluted bezel and become a statement of classic, understated design with legendary build quality.

Yes it maybe to small for my wrist (hence why i don't have one) and modern fashion standards, but it is without doubt the greatest watch of all time - in my head.

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i feel that you're being very self centric .


I think you missed the point of the thread, specifically the standard set by the OP. This is supposed to be a "self centric" (not the phrase I would have chosen!) thread in contrast to an earlier greatest watch thread.

Oh well, welcome to Breitlingsource even if your 4th post just called us all self centered.


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