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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:33 am 
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This is also a great timepiece retails for $2 550

Called FC-360RM6B6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e7Nw4J49B8


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I may have just found my perfect "trial watch." Classic dress design. No risk of off-putting jurors - "yeah I think he's wearing a Breitling" or "yeah did you see that ROLEX." And low enough cost not to worry about it getting beat up when the judge holds me in contempt and orders the bailiff to cuff me.

This brand just peaked a bit of interest. Also like the simple "index" models though base ETA movement. One could argue it is a bit of a rip-off of the current JLC Master Control date, but like Roff said, their designs are rather simple classic designs and one can could argue their is nothing unique to the JLC Master Control date - been done in various forms by many brands over many years.

The prices are ridiculously low, which concerns me. I mean, you can get them at Bloomingdales! Any word on quality??????


They have high-end watches which retails for over $14 000. Their own forum isn't overflowing with claims of poor quality but it's well worth a looking in to. But the watches are definitely super looking. Have a look into their iPad app where they have a couple of manufacturing movies.


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I was going to say Nomos as well.

Also, you can find those crazy discounted Ebels for pretty cheap.

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Nomos is kind of like the German Frederique Constant in my mind for value (if that makes sense)

@Sharkman, FC is pretty good quality in my experience. They have always positioned themselves as 'value luxury' and of course the fact that most people haven't heard much about them proves that they don't invest that much in marketing.

They are a serious player, based on production numbers from the last couple of years they are within about 10% of Breitling's production volumes (:!:) and the cost is kept relatively low by trying to minimize the number of unique / small volume hand mde pieces. They have a tourbillon at $34,000 so they know what they are doing, although if you look at the movement under a loupe you'll see the difference - but the price reflects that.
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Does anybody here own a Frederique Constant?
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Peter Stas Managing Director of Frederique Constant about their brand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJQN4DB ... ure=colike
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I believe Frederique Constant's in-house movements are made in China, which explains why the cost is so much less than Swiss made movements. Not that that's necessarily a problem of course ; it just shows how much cachet is placed in "Swiss-Made" in the watch world.

EDIT - OK, I now think I'm wrong on this as I can't find the thing I thought I read! Ignore me! :oops:

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I believe Frederique Constant's in-house movements are made in China, which explains why the cost is so much less than Swiss made movements. Not that that's necessarily a problem of course ; it just shows how much cachet is placed in "Swiss-Made" in the watch world.


Why do you believe that?
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grenhall wrote:
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I believe Frederique Constant's in-house movements are made in China, which explains why the cost is so much less than Swiss made movements. Not that that's necessarily a problem of course ; it just shows how much cachet is placed in "Swiss-Made" in the watch world.


Why do you believe that?

The fact I believe the movemets are made in China? I'm sure I read it somewhere a while ago.

I'll have a look again and see if I can find it again.

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I believe Frederique Constant's in-house movements are made in China, which explains why the cost is so much less than Swiss made movements. Not that that's necessarily a problem of course ; it just shows how much cachet is placed in "Swiss-Made" in the watch world.


Why do you believe that?

The fact I believe the movemets are made in China? I'm sure I read it somewhere a while ago.

I'll have a look again and see if I can find it again.


Yeah that part. Since everything I read about the brand which is a lot since yesterday I get the impression that they take great pride in doing their in-house movements in-house in Geneva. That's why I'm curious. I'm sure that their Quartz-movements are produced in Asia but not their automatic/manual.
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OK well I've just spent a few mins looking, and I can't find the article I'm sure I saw.

Soooooo...... that means there's a high chance that I was wrong, or I misread something somewhere along the way. I won't remove my earlier post, but I will add an "EDIT" note to it.

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Driver8 wrote:
OK well I've just spent a few mins looking, and I can't find the article I'm sure I saw.

Soooooo...... that means there's a high chance that I was wrong, or I misread something somewhere along the way. I won't remove my earlier post, but I will add an "EDIT" note to it.


Hey you don't have to edit it if not for your own sake. I don't care and I'm sure no one else does either. :lingsrock:
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grenhall wrote:
Driver8 wrote:
OK well I've just spent a few mins looking, and I can't find the article I'm sure I saw.

Soooooo...... that means there's a high chance that I was wrong, or I misread something somewhere along the way. I won't remove my earlier post, but I will add an "EDIT" note to it.


Hey you don't have to edit it if not for your own sake. I don't care and I'm sure no one else does either. :lingsrock:

Thanks! :thumbsup: But I don't want to give duff information, so I'll add a note to my earlier post anyway. Teach me not to research things I obviously thought I'd read before posting!

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Not Chinese.

That Geneve on the dial is not just for looks, it means that the watch meets the restrictions of the Conton of Geneve, which is the Swiss Made part plus assembly & QC in the Canton of Geneva and >50% of the value add in the Canton as well.

Now we all know that 'Swiss Made' can still be manipulated, but to the best of my knowledge there are no Chinese parts in there. Their non in house are moving to Sellita rather than ETA, so they are definitely Swiss.

Aside from anything else, I think that we would have heard about it - the fuss a few years back when it was discovered that Cecil Purnell were using Chinese movements in their watches would be a case in point.
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Right I've just looked on the FC website (probably should've done that before posting, huh?), and I was indeed wrong. Frederique Constant in-house movements are indeed classed as Swiss Made which means they are assembled in Switzerland using components of which at least 50% are made in Switzerland. So there.

God knows where I got the duff info from, but there we are. Tempted to lock this thread now so that it goes away! :wink: (kidding!)

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