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 Post subject: Re: Why the Tag Hate....
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:31 am 
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Sure the 1887 is an in house movement - but not Tag's house, it's a reworked Seiko (yes, Seiko).
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Nothing wrong with a re-worked Seiko, the Ananta is a beauty. Does Breitling make all of the components in house or do they use suppliers to supply them with their parts and then assemble in-house as Tag has done???

http://www.calibre11.com/1887-calibre/



There is very little difference between what Tag does with Seiko and what Breitling has been doing with ETA movements recently - that is producing parts in house or buying from 3rd party suppliers to the ETA design.

That's very different from what Breitling does with the B01 where the design is proprietary and the parts are produced in house or from suppliers.

I don't recall saying that there was anything wrong with Seiko.


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I think he removed all doubt with this paragraph. Tag owners are frat boys with an inferiority complex???


I appreciate that, but you're taking the statement out of context. Some people have a perceived image of the brand and how it's affected by a specific segment of buyers. That's all.


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I see what you're saying. It's ashame they have that perception because some of their watches are very nice. I don't perceive Tag that way at all. Everyone is quick to say that they're overpriced for what they are.....but that can be said for a lot of brands as well.

For someone who isn't a watch freak and just wants to own a nice quality watch there is nothing wrong with a Tag. The Tag Link was my first watch and it started a lot of madness for me.


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I think he removed all doubt with this paragraph. Tag owners are frat boys with an inferiority complex???


I appreciate that, but you're taking the statement out of context. Some people have a perceived image of the brand and how it's affected by a specific segment of buyers. That's all.

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I think that Tag is good for what they are...an entry into "better" watch brands. They are not on the same level as the brands that we discuss here on a daily basis, but you have to keep in mind that most of the population (regardless of where you live) has never heard of many mid to high end brands. Rolex and Tag have both done a tremendous job of getting the brand name out to the public...and that IMO is why they sell so many watches.


I was thinking this same thing also. I think a lot of people's first "nice" watch was a TAG, then they get more into it and eventually grow out of them, but like you said, you have to respect their marketing department, they know how to sell some watches.

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mfserge wrote:
I see what you're saying. It's ashame they have that perception because some of their watches are very nice. I don't perceive Tag that way at all. Everyone is quick to say that they're overpriced for what they are.....but that can be said for a lot of brands as well.

For someone who isn't a watch freak and just wants to own a nice quality watch there is nothing wrong with a Tag. The Tag Link was my first watch and it started a lot of madness for me.


We're on the same page because that's exactly the point I was illustrating. TAG is a very good quality watch and I can't figure why someone would not want one. But there are reasons... The purpose of the thread is to explore what's behind the TAG hate. The perception of a specific segment of owners is one factor.


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For someone who isn't a watch freak and just wants to own a nice quality watch there is nothing wrong with a Tag. The Tag Link was my first watch and it started a lot of madness for me.


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On a personal note, I avoid making assumptions about the person based on the watch on their wrist. Most people usually give a pretty clear indication once they open their mouth.


I think I read some were " It is better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove doubt"!!!!

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knapplink, not about you just another way of saying "Most people usually give a pretty clear indication once they open their mouth"
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knapplink wrote:
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I see what you're saying. It's ashame they have that perception because some of their watches are very nice. I don't perceive Tag that way at all. Everyone is quick to say that they're overpriced for what they are.....but that can be said for a lot of brands as well.

For someone who isn't a watch freak and just wants to own a nice quality watch there is nothing wrong with a Tag. The Tag Link was my first watch and it started a lot of madness for me.


We're on the same page because that's exactly the point I was illustrating. TAG is a very good quality watch and I can't figure why someone would not want one. But there are reasons... The purpose of the thread is to explore what's behind the TAG hate. The perception of a specific segment of owners is one factor.


And probably the factor that they are fake Tag Heuer's???

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knapplink, not about you just another way of saying "Most people usually give a pretty clear indication once they open their mouth"
:lingsrock:


No offense taken, I understood your point was to echo my statement.


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I think the 1887 is a beautiful and fine movement (albeit a seiko). My problem is that the watch the decided to use it in is butt ugly.

Ive owned a Grand Carrera, and it was a beautifully finished watch; easily among the ranks of Breitling, Omega etc. The problem is that it was also a lot more expensive than a comparable Breitling.

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I've got nothing against Tag either. If I hadn't picked up me Breitling when I did, I'd probably also now own a Carrera, which I've always thought was a very nice watch indeed. I think they market their product very well and are a great introduction to the world of luxury timepieces. I will however say that after owning Breitling, Omega etc, I personally couldn't go back to Tag. As good as they are I don't put them in quite the same league as Breitling, Omega, etc.

I understand the UK sentiment as well. It's hard to appreciate something worn by chav's :lol: Still if you can get past the negative perceptions, the brand is no longer devalued.

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For me Tag Heuer became the subject of WIS forum bashing when they became Tag Heuer.

I can't think of any Heuer watches that I don't like. However, wehn they joined ranks with TAG (Technique d'Avant Garde, I think) they were clearly taking a fashion direction with their products. Many low cost quartz watches were produced as a result. Not the usual fair for a WIS. Maybe it was good business sense. They certainly seem to have a good following by non-WIS.

I wonder if Tag Heuer have been influenced at all by their perceived lack of horological intentions by watch collectors and the press. My respect for Tag Heuer has grown immeasurably in the past five years because they have become a true manufacture with some amazing horological innovations.

I still think they are overpriced for what they are but they have proved to me that they have a great horoligal based R and D apartment, which I applaud.

I dont' hate the brand, in fact I am always interested to hear about their new products, but I wouldn't buy a new one. Maybe a vintage Monaco, Autavia or Carrera.

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I am definitely not a Tag fan, but the grand carerra pvd is beautiful...
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Go for about $3500 used on the bay.

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I am definitely not a Tag fan, but the grand carerra pvd is beautiful...
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Go for about $3500 used on the bay.



That's the one that caught my eye in the display. I'm not normally a PVD/DLC fan, but that one stood out. So did the price tag - $7200 full retail. Yikes!

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TAG is mostly "hated" by ignorant people and newbies because they heard from somewhere that it's "kewl" to hate it. Quartz line isn't that great but the automatic lineup (Aquaracer, Link, Monaco and Carrera) is simply amazing.

I own a Breitling, TAG Heuer, Rolex and Omega and my Aquaracer Chrono has the best and most detailed finish of them all. TAG bashing is getting really old. And besides, Breitling and Omega sell quartz watches as well.


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All very positive and valid points and I think they reinforce my like of Tag Heuer and arm me with some defensive points to come back at the haters! :lol:
It is interesting reading all the comments and I still wonder why there were so many negative votes towards Tag Heuer in, the post that prompted this post that been, "Popular watch brand you dislike"

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