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| Author: | gruffythebear [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
Guys, Can anyone please inform me about if this watch is authentic or not? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251333159905? ... 6966225324 P.S. - on the side of the case just by the lugs. there is a engraving that reads SEA KING. Thanks in advance for your help. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
One of very, very many similar looking watches coming out of China at the moment. |
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| Author: | gruffythebear [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
Any pictures? What about the sea king engraving on the side by the lugs? The seller said its a limited edition sea king So all those serial numbers are fake? If you can help me out with obtaining some conclusive proof then I can arrange for a refund. Thanks very much for your expertise. I'm just a bit confused because I took to too to 2 old watch guys for assessment and they both told me it was real. Thanks again |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
These show up all the time on eBay, usually with a 29** model reference to try and convince people that they are real (as Breitling did produce 3 hand watches with those references). No idea what the seller is trying to claim about it being an LE "Sea King" what the heck does that even mean? if they are claiming that it is an homage to the helicopter that would be very clever, if this watch were real the serial dates it to 1952! Make a claim on eBay / Paypal and you'll have no problem getting your money back these are commonly sold and seller won't care, he'll just relist it. |
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| Author: | Bill in Sacramento [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re-badged Favre Leuba |
"Sea King" is/was a registered trademark of Favre Leuba, which is an otherwise fine watch. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re-badged Favre Leuba |
Bill in Sacramento wrote: "Sea King" is/was a registered trademark of Favre Leuba, which is an otherwise fine watch. That makes more sense - so tells us which watch the case was stolen from to produce this. |
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| Author: | anissa [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
for me this watch is all original, I dont see any "Sea King" please explain me, what is faked in this watch ? |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
anissa wrote: for me this watch is all original, I dont see any "Sea King" please explain me, what is faked in this watch ? Well the OP said that it had Sea King on the case. This watch is a simple 3 hand watch and Breitling produced a large number of similar design models, some of which were under similar model numbers. In the last couple of years eBay has been flooded with watches with various designs like this, usually with a model number starting 29 and coming out of China. This watch is full of inconsistencies with real models - varying logo styles, the caseback, the dial, etc. |
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| Author: | vintage [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
Seems to me this watch is consistent with others of the early 1950's. There are similar dials and logo's in Richter's book. Unfortunately due to all the fakes coming out of China it's getting real difficult to determine if these are real or not so better to err on the side of caution. Either someone is getting really good at faking these or there was an abundance of them sold in Asia in the 1950's. |
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| Author: | anissa [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
hallo Roff, excuse but I saw hundreds of Breitling of 1952 with varying logo styles, it was the transition period between the old "Breitling" logo and the new "BREITLING GENEVE" logo. Do you think, that Breitling put all parts away of his stock and produced all new in one day ? unrealistic offcourse they used old dials with new cases, but only in the years end of 1951 till begin 1953, if later your are rigth, it are fakes. And: all China fakes have printed logos on the dial, to fake this logo in silver letters and the silver indices is near impossible. PS: the silver indices of this watch are in the same style as the golden indices of the 244-94 Datoras |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
anissa wrote: hallo Roff, excuse but I saw hundreds of Breitling of 1952 with varying logo styles, it was the transition period between the old "Breitling" logo and the new "BREITLING GENEVE" logo. Do you think, that Breitling put all parts away of his stock and produced all new in one day ? unrealistic offcourse they used old dials with new cases, but only in the years end of 1951 till begin 1953, if later your are rigth, it are fakes. And: all China fakes have printed logos on the dial, to fake this loge in silver letters and the silver indices is near impossible We'll agree to differ then. |
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| Author: | gruffythebear [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
hi guys, Thanks for you interest in the subject i've posted a picture of the "sea king" engraving on the side of the case |
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| Author: | gruffythebear [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
Also i came across these two watches at the breitling museum. the second one especially bears a remarkable resemblance, however it is the automatic version. Your thought are very much appreciated. Thanks again. http://sfile.f-static.com/image/users/1 ... d=11497459 http://sfile.f-static.com/image/users/1 ... d=11677616 |
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| Author: | Bill in Sacramento [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Really? |
To conclude that this is a fake requires: 1. One to accept that someone has cast a raised Breitling logo for dials (just like they have cast script "B"s on crowns), and 2. "Sea King" between the lugs tells us this started it's life as a Favre Leuba. http://www.passions.com.sg/v2/watch/fav ... atch-steel Point two seems to be incontrovertible, so point one seems most likely. It was only a matter of time, really. Herbert has always been more gullible than persuasive. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 17 jewel Breitling Authentic or not? |
gruffythebear wrote: Also i came across these two watches at the breitling museum. The Breitling Museum (which is not a museum and has no connection with Breitling) is run by the largest crook involved in vintage Breitlings. If you find comparables there then it pretty much guarantees that there are issues. As Bill pointed out the case belongs to a different brand - there is little option but to conclude that the watch is wrong. |
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